Inactive manga/manhwa/manhua :rejected:

[elhessan]

I saw the drama in 'Milady Just Wants to Relax'. the previous group has not updated it for 2 months. suddenly, when someone new wants to take the series, the previous group told him/her/them to back off. this is not healthy.

for something like this not to happen in the future, i suggest you guys (yeah, you all the mods of MD) to create rules about how long the series considered as abandoned (for example, if no update within 2 or 3 months) so that new group/person can pick it up instead letting it rotting in the corner... and also to prevent any petty drama...


sincerely,


Elhessan

 

[sterven]

....do people even know how to read?
Here.

 

[elhessan]

@sterven i see... so, that's why the big player can easily tell newcomer to back off... no wonder the shitty unnecessary drama happens... it's due to the incompetence of the mods of making regulation out of fear that the big players will leave MD... thanks for the enlightenment... i know now that being toxic is encouraged here...


Sincerely,


Elhessan

 

[Granitefish]

Yeah, no, Mangadex isn't in charge of translations and they don't want to be. Mangadex is a hosting site, not a translation site. Your unreasonable and unfair expectations of mangadex are the issue here. Even if they were to impose such a thing you'd just get groups that drop a chapter at just enough frequency to hold on to the project. Honestly such an implementation would likely cause more issue than you think it would solve. There is nothing to stop the Newcomer from continuing to translate.

Mangadex has no issue with "Big Players" leaving, as there have been big groups leaving based on Mangadex decision to not be the police of translations before.

 

[BzzBzz]

> so, that's why the big player can easily tell newcomer to back off

You (obviously) have no idea what you are talking about and (obviously) have no reading comprehension. Sorry for being "toxic" 😎

 

[sterven]

@elhessan
lol yeah anyone can tell someone to back off the series they're working on it doesn't mean they have to listen to them. Anyone can upload a chapter so long as it follows the guidelines regardless of how big the other group is or how long they've been working on it. Also you think MD fears the BIG GROUPS? lol I can tell you haven't been around here for long. They gave two fucks when these BIG GROUPS left. What makes you think they'd start fearing them now? Lastly toxicity encouraged on MD? Bruh try making a slightly offensive joke and see if your ass doesn't get modded.

 

[elhessan]

@Granitefish hey, Novel Updates is not a hosting sites, even have less authority than MD, but guess what? they have more etiquette than here... there is one rule stated that if within 3 months a novel is not being updated, then another translator can pick it up..

you said, there is no stopping it? but have you seen the reality? where the big players and their loyal dogs calling some people snipers? and make toxic comments, thus the drama.. if it doesn't stop the newcomer, it will discourage them as the toxic comments piling up. this can be avoided if there is a rule like this.. yes, we all have real life activity.. I too am, a translator (novel, not manga).. and when my real life activities leave me no free time to translate, when i see novel updates, someone took else took the project. since there is rule there, I just follow the rule, so no one pointing any fingers at anybody.. if you can't understand this basic concept then, yeah, either MD's mods are indifferent, or they're afraid that the big players will leave... and when the drama escalate, the victims always the readers...


Sincerely,



Elhessan

 

[hazzack]

this sniping things somehow remind me of kids claiming spots in parking lot and mini market.

 

[Granitefish]

Novel Updates isn't a hosting site, it's a linking site, and I've seen that rule be just blatently ignored. I've also never seen that rule. If you see people being actively toxic, report them. Additionally there have many cases where the reverse has happened, where a newcomer has driven off an established group.

Mangadex isn't Novel Updates, They have no intention of policing or running the Translation scene. Many of them are or were translators as well. As shown above they aren't worried about "Big Players" leaving. Big players left after they told those big players that they aren't going to interfere in their drama.

They. are. not. translation. police.

 

[Granitefish]

Finally finding the rules on translations, that explains why there are so many shit mtl translations there. Also it's 30 days not 3 months, I barely use NU and read Webnovels because of how many crappy sites/translations that it links to.

 

[elhessan]

@sterven you think i'm afraid? tag any mod (i know, there's a page listing the name of the mods, but I AM too lazy to read their unimportant names and tag them myself) to come here and have them read my slightly offensive jokes... hey mods, you are the jokes...
ohh.. so, they don't afraid, huh? for real? what a surprise... then i guess they are the biggest jokes... they don't encourage toxic behavior? that's not what i see... sure, yeah, the newcomers can just ignore being told to back off, but have you seen the comment section? so toxic... even more than drinking bleach... urghhh... and where is the mods? why don't they step forward and stop the toxic behavior? too lazy? too afraid? biased? what a joke...
I came hare not really long ago... maybe few months before mangarock closed... so i thought, maybe it's time to visit where the scanslators putting their trust in... but i am, utterly disappointed seeing drama and stuff in the comment section, where i usually discuss or make fun about the chapter (not the translation or group, but about the manga itself), and see so many toxic and drama, and no one stopping... maybe other aggregators sites are better than this one...


Sincerely,



Elhessan

p.s: when i know the group has their own site, i prefer to read directly from there, instead of here... yeah, done that, so, no need to tell me twice..

 

[sterven]

@elhessan

you think i'm afraid? tag any mod (i know, there's a page listing the name of the mods, but I AM too lazy to read their unimportant names and tag them myself) to come here and have them read my slightly offensive jokes... hey mods, you are the jokes...

Im confused who the hell even made it about you in the first place? But hey if you wanna do that then by all means knock yourself out.

sure, yeah, the newcomers can just ignore being told to back off, but have you seen the comment section? so toxic

Yeah welcome to the internet where no one gives a shit about anyone else.

and where is the mods? why don't they step forward and stop the toxic behavior? too lazy? too afraid? biased? what a joke...

I ain't gonna speak up for them since they can do it themselves but the most likely answer is living their life like any normal person would.

but i am, utterly disappointed seeing drama and stuff in the comment section, where i usually discuss or make fun about the chapter (not the translation or group, but about the manga itself), and see so many toxic and drama, and no one stopping... maybe other aggregators sites are better than this one...

I'm not gonna tell you what to do since you're a grown ass person (presumidly) but if you do decide to leave then don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 

[elhessan]

@Granitefish that's why this is a joke... the big ones can told other to back off and call reinforcements if they need too... this is shitty, and shaddy at best.. discouraging others while the big ones can monopolize... really though, MD is not afraid? huh? for real? I find it hard to believe... if they don't want to be the 'police', at least act as a real moderators... stop toxic comments, lock it if they have to... be neutral and unbiased... but not, they just mods, because it's cool to be one...

Aand... no. it's not 30 days... it's 3 months... it was from Baka-tsuki's rules... yeah, some blatantly ignore this, but they are too being ignored if not reviewed as poor translator.... and, because of that, you can't just call people snipping, and everyone can see who's snipping and who's just pick the series because it was 'dropped' (either dropped by the translators or 3 months rule).


Sincerely,




Elhessan

 

[elhessan]

@sterven

Lastly toxicity encouraged on MD? Bruh try making a slightly offensive joke and see if your ass doesn't get modded.

huh? i don't... but i dare...

Yeah welcome to the internet where no one gives a shit about anyone else.
I ain't gonna speak up for them since they can do it themselves but the most likely answer is living their life like any normal person would.

yeah... so... mods are just for titles only... figures...

I'm not gonna tell you what to do since you're a grown ass person (presumidly) but if you do decide to leave then don't let the door hit you on the way out.

ohhh... i know they way out, the question is do you? you're just nobody, defending mods till your last breath. whilst i can quit whenever i want...

it is wise, if that's the only way to get your attention.. if you are no joke, then the toxic behavior, and pointing finger at others by saying "you're snipping" in the comment section is also not a joke @Zephyrus. if not, then, i stand with my opinion

@Granitefish

Baka-tsuki is a completely different thing than Novel Updates.

it's not the similarity, but if you read carefully, i said, that's where the 3 months rule came.

@Plykiya

Everyone's definition of "sniping" is different. Even if we defined a period where a series was "inactive" and free to pick up there are some groups who would get mad after 3 months
Our goal as a platform is to remain more or less as neutral as possible. We don't have any interest in taking sides or picking who "owns" a series

. Imagine the kind of trolls that would release something in awful quality with translations that barely make sense before any other group could work on a series so that they own it,

then, be the neutral party, and at least more active.. and that's why we also need something saying about trolling, to keep all civilized and neutral. there's already a report button with *fake/spam chapter option. so, when someone throw a fake chapter or trolling, you guys can see it when not only one, but many people report it? so there is no reason to be afraid that trolls would be spawning like cockroaches..

Sincerely,


Elhessan

 

[Granitefish]

If you see toxic comments, Report them. They can't do anything if they don't see them, and they can't see all the comments.

Baka-tsuki is a completely different thing than Novel Updates. I never check Baka-tsuki because it doesn't have an accurate update information. and again it explains why there are so many shitty translations there. Because shitty groups can just churn out barely edited machine translations and another group can't just take over. Novel Updates and Mangadex's comment sections are completely different. Novel Updates you are leaving the site to read, most people won't come back to comment and definitely won't for commenting on the chapter. Many of the sites they link to don't have decent comment sections either. Yes they don't have drama between groups, But they also tend to have less engaging comments from what I've seen.

And Again, If you see toxic comments, report them.

 

[Rygdar]

 

[Zephyrus]

@elhessan

This thread has basically devolved into insults. Closing!

Also, mods are not your personal army. Also, it's not wise to taunt mods. Also, I'm running out of things to put "Also" in front of.

 

[Plykiya]

@elhessan Your suggestion is rejected for several reasons

the previous group has not updated it for 2 months. suddenly, when someone new wants to take the series, the previous group told him/her/them to back off. this is not healthy.

You don't need to ask a group to pick up a series. We allow any number of groups to work on the same series. No group owns the series they work on and it would be silly to pretend they do. Asking is a matter of courtesy between scanlators, it's not mandatory or necessary.

so, that's why the big player can easily tell newcomer to back off...
the big players and their loyal dogs calling some people snipers? and make toxic comments, thus the drama..

Everyone's definition of "sniping" is different. Even if we defined a period where a series was "inactive" and free to pick up there are some groups who would get mad after 3 months, there are some groups that would get mad after a year. Inevitably they'd just leave the site because they don't agree with our definition of what sniping is. We don't need to define a "sniping" period because as I said above, no group owns the series they work on. Our goal as a platform is to remain more or less as neutral as possible. We don't have any interest in taking sides or picking who "owns" a series

The repercussions of giving the group who released first ownership of a series for 3 months would be way more toxic than whatever sniping drama you're saying. Imagine the kind of trolls that would release something in awful quality with translations that barely make sense before any other group could work on a series so that they own it, wait 3 months, then release another shitty chapter, effectively denying any group that actually wanted to work on the series. Readers don't care who does a series as long as it's readable. Scanlation groups shouldn't care about being sniped unless they have pride issues. There are 5x more series available to translate than there are scanlation groups to work on them. If people want to work on the same series, they're wasting their own time.

Friendly reminder to all that if you can't stay civil or on topic, get out of the suggestion forums.

 

[Zephyrus]

Unlocked so @Plykiya can help address concerns and issues.

 

[Holo]

If we started policing what titles groups can and can't work on, more drama will ensue.