Iris Zero - Ch. 43
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@phoenixir You can always rip and stick the images of the characters on your own to make a new arc.
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@givemersspls If I remember reading it right in one of those extras from the author, this manga was supposed to be only the first five arcs, each one focusing on a character from the cast. However the reception was good and the editor pushed for more chapters, so any element after the iris stealer arc probably wasn't fleshed out enough to feel organic with the beginning of the manga.
I agree that it feels shallow, but considering how this manga was on hiatus for a long time and how it is a monthly release, I guess the author had to push for drama in an unexpected direction to draw attention from readers. At least that's how it felt to me.
I agree that it feels shallow, but considering how this manga was on hiatus for a long time and how it is a monthly release, I guess the author had to push for drama in an unexpected direction to draw attention from readers. At least that's how it felt to me.
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@givemersspls - The part @MagiciansBlack is referring to the Chapter 20.5 Omake. On page 11, the author reveals it was only suppose to be a 5 chapter, 1 volume series. One-shot chapters from the perspective of each main character (the original 5) but promoted to be a full series. The author joked the storyline is complete is thus completed at chapter 20, but it's suppose to be a joke. And yeah, the pacing and story-lines continued smoothly well after.
Which leads to what @Ashandai is talking about. Which is the short 3 chapter arc of 40-42 with the sister investigating that "boyfriend". Remember, it was kinda sudden that chapter 39 look like it still have at least a few more pages of story but instead chp 40 switch to an entirely different story. At that time, it did gave a similar bad taste we are getting right now. But somehow he manage to tie it all together. So it's not what MagiciansBlack was thinking, it's dozens of chapters - and it wasn't quite what MagiciansBlack said anyway.
That said, currently, the reveal of the brother is also giving me a bad taste. It screams implications of the characterization of Koyuki and in a way that takes away a major element of what made her likeable plus part of the foil between Koyuki and Rei. I hope - like the last arc - the author will manage to surprise me again.
Which leads to what @Ashandai is talking about. Which is the short 3 chapter arc of 40-42 with the sister investigating that "boyfriend". Remember, it was kinda sudden that chapter 39 look like it still have at least a few more pages of story but instead chp 40 switch to an entirely different story. At that time, it did gave a similar bad taste we are getting right now. But somehow he manage to tie it all together. So it's not what MagiciansBlack was thinking, it's dozens of chapters - and it wasn't quite what MagiciansBlack said anyway.
That said, currently, the reveal of the brother is also giving me a bad taste. It screams implications of the characterization of Koyuki and in a way that takes away a major element of what made her likeable plus part of the foil between Koyuki and Rei. I hope - like the last arc - the author will manage to surprise me again.
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@givemersspls "The reason that the arc even stands out is not because of brother and separated sister but instead because of Toru and his sister, the interactions between two established characters barely at all related to the "main events" of the arc. "
I think you've hit upon the real thrust here. The point of this mini-arc was to turn the spotlight on to Toru and his sister. The "main events" feel shallow because they aren't really the main events.
The "friend list" thing is actually really interesting. To me, it hints at Toru's mindset, and the psychological baggage he carries that we don't see from the outside. We know he's lost all his friends before when he was outed as an Iris Zero, and suffered at the hands of people he once considered friends. We know he intentionally tries to not stand out to avoid a bullying problem that's abated over the last decade, but never really STOPPED.
I suspect he's intentionally keeping his not-friends at arm's length as a defense mechanism.
If he doesn't have any friends, he can't lose his friends again. He can't be betrayed by his friends again. He can't be hurt by his friends again. It won't matter when (not if) they turn on him.
From Toru's perspective, he can't afford to consider them as anything more than some people he hangs out with sometimes.
From another perspective, he simply isn't capable of trusting another person enough to call them a friend.
Basically, Toru's sister knows he doesn't have friends because she's seen his friend list and she knows it is empty But what she doesn't see is that he has a bunch of friend requests he hasn't accepted yet.
If you ask me, this is setting up for a series finale. Toru's helped everyone else, now it is time for everyone else to help Toru.
I think you've hit upon the real thrust here. The point of this mini-arc was to turn the spotlight on to Toru and his sister. The "main events" feel shallow because they aren't really the main events.
The "friend list" thing is actually really interesting. To me, it hints at Toru's mindset, and the psychological baggage he carries that we don't see from the outside. We know he's lost all his friends before when he was outed as an Iris Zero, and suffered at the hands of people he once considered friends. We know he intentionally tries to not stand out to avoid a bullying problem that's abated over the last decade, but never really STOPPED.
I suspect he's intentionally keeping his not-friends at arm's length as a defense mechanism.
If he doesn't have any friends, he can't lose his friends again. He can't be betrayed by his friends again. He can't be hurt by his friends again. It won't matter when (not if) they turn on him.
From Toru's perspective, he can't afford to consider them as anything more than some people he hangs out with sometimes.
From another perspective, he simply isn't capable of trusting another person enough to call them a friend.
Basically, Toru's sister knows he doesn't have friends because she's seen his friend list and she knows it is empty But what she doesn't see is that he has a bunch of friend requests he hasn't accepted yet.
If you ask me, this is setting up for a series finale. Toru's helped everyone else, now it is time for everyone else to help Toru.
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@RhoninFire Thanks for clarifying the omake bit, it's been a while since I read it, so I wasn't quite sure of the implications. That being said, when I talked about a disconnect with the beginning of the story, it was more about this new development with the brother and the authoritarian grandmother, aspects that were not alluded in the least at the beginning, which causes this discomfort we're feeling right now.
Long story short, the storylines as a whole and the character developments that ocurred after the core group of characters was introduced were organic and well thought-out, but this new development isn't, or at least doesn't feel like it, because it doesn't tie to Koyuki's introduction at the beginning of the manga.
Long story short, the storylines as a whole and the character developments that ocurred after the core group of characters was introduced were organic and well thought-out, but this new development isn't, or at least doesn't feel like it, because it doesn't tie to Koyuki's introduction at the beginning of the manga.
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Sorry for the late response. It was meant for the mini arc with the brother and sister, but honestly the same sentiment about it feeling shallow at the start but satisfied at the end could apply to the Rei arc as well.
I just feel everything after the Iris Hunter arc feels tacked on, but the skill of the one doing the tacking on means i can still enjoy it as part of the whole. Does that make sense?
Sorry for the late response. It was meant for the mini arc with the brother and sister, but honestly the same sentiment about it feeling shallow at the start but satisfied at the end could apply to the Rei arc as well.
I just feel everything after the Iris Hunter arc feels tacked on, but the skill of the one doing the tacking on means i can still enjoy it as part of the whole. Does that make sense?
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Hmm, I'm not sure granny was bitchy enough there. She should have at least beaten Koyuki a bit and spat on her before leaving, just to drive the point home.
Thanks for the chapter!
Why is it whenever an ancient family that can trace their ancestry in the double digits in manga/anime always treat their children and family members like chess pieces rather than human beings? Like that grandmother. Acts like Koyuki and her brother's personal feelings are irrelevant, expects answers and blind obedience, and the only thing that matters is the main family's appearance and desires irregardless of how corrupt it is or whether a member is in trouble and needs help. Always drove me crazy how consider this or that person to be special and will raise family into greater prominence yet shoot themselves in the foot by either spoiling them beyond rotten or somehow expecting them to lead family higher yet suppose to obey unquestioningly arrogant members of the family who obviously only want power and prestige for themselves. Then again this explains how she could have a bad cold in V5 ch21 with nobody else in the house. After all, expect at least one parent (adopted?) to have stayed behind or at least arrange someone to look after her. Yet despite being a posh house that's too big for three people to take care of, especially if two are always working, there wasn't even one servant around doing anything.
In any case, the way that brother disappeared seems odd. Also, might have simply walked off frame but didn't someone else near him disappear too? Be interesting to see his reaction to meeting that Spartan grandmother.
Why is it whenever an ancient family that can trace their ancestry in the double digits in manga/anime always treat their children and family members like chess pieces rather than human beings? Like that grandmother. Acts like Koyuki and her brother's personal feelings are irrelevant, expects answers and blind obedience, and the only thing that matters is the main family's appearance and desires irregardless of how corrupt it is or whether a member is in trouble and needs help. Always drove me crazy how consider this or that person to be special and will raise family into greater prominence yet shoot themselves in the foot by either spoiling them beyond rotten or somehow expecting them to lead family higher yet suppose to obey unquestioningly arrogant members of the family who obviously only want power and prestige for themselves. Then again this explains how she could have a bad cold in V5 ch21 with nobody else in the house. After all, expect at least one parent (adopted?) to have stayed behind or at least arrange someone to look after her. Yet despite being a posh house that's too big for three people to take care of, especially if two are always working, there wasn't even one servant around doing anything.
In any case, the way that brother disappeared seems odd. Also, might have simply walked off frame but didn't someone else near him disappear too? Be interesting to see his reaction to meeting that Spartan grandmother.
