Isekai Craft Gurashi ~Jiyuu Kimama na Seisan Shoku no Honobono Slow Life~ - Ch. 31

[psyphon11]

Mel is the cutest

 

[Romisterie]

Thanks for the chapter!

I mean, there is already a lot of benefits for the duchy. If he does as Liz says as something that duchy will benefit and then he will get some benefit as well.

I wonder how they will handle railraod maintenance or are they just going to ignore that part or leave it to the duchy(?)

Just like Mel had said "make it a noble's problem" . That said, dwarves might want the tech and duty cause its underground and they are already familiar with the concept of railroad albeit the non auto kind. Plus , It will sooth their wounded pride that a human out dwarf them.

 

[chemy1347]

It's actually not that silly at all. Wind equals constant pressure flow in a certain direction. Just need enough to push it along. We've already seen a scale model iteration that works just fine, so the concept itself is sound- I do hope there's going to be some sort of issue with it that will require him to revisit the idea and rework it, though, like with the water.


Cars are individualized transport. Trains by necessity are timed transport, and can only travel set paths. All of America is larger than all of Europe. Trains are useful for long distance travel where you only act at each terminus, but that's about it. Using arguments for efficiency of cargo hauling for passenger travel does not work well.

Trains were in common use long before cars were.

All that is true, America was the global leader for streetcars before the automotive industry bought the streetcar companies and dismantled them. There also was a propaganda campaign in schools during the same period that introduced the idea of streets being car exclusive zones instead of public shared spaces.

America is large, yes. But guess what vehicle is very efficient at transporting people long distance at high speeds and minimal route wear? Trains. Hell, America was built on rails, and the roads were so terrible that the infrastructure guy at the time built the Interstate system after attempting to travel DC - Cali by car

But all this discussion is digging too deep into the topic for a fluff isekai manga lol

 

[GavTheShitpostArtist]

Mel is so stinkin adorable!

 

[dankenglish]

There's no industry to support the maintenance of these vehicles...

Except crafters.

 

[GriseousGrime]

Oh no no no no... not another Liz-less arc...

 

[Aqua_Mizue]

Thanks for the chapter

 

[Miserys_End]

Will the subway have multiple stops? What about ventilation, water prevention, and emergency exits?

@haurvatat23 @xaraphina

In this case I can kinda see magic being the answer. Ventilation can be taken care of by either purification or creation. Water can be handled via properly sealing the tunnel or building an accompanying sewer system that pumps the water out.

The only real sticking point is emergencies. I would actually include magical beasts that either spawn or manage to dig their way into the tunnel in the same category. If I was in charge of managing the tunnel, I would make sure then was at least one competent geomancer, an aeromancer and a couple combatants on each leg of the journey. That way most of your bases are covered.

 

[ninjasaiyan777]

Will the subway have multiple stops? What about ventilation, water prevention, and emergency exits?

Since the only production of carbon mono or dioxide is gonna be breathing it's very likely most of that could get handled by the same wind magic propelling the train.

Well, except for emergency stops and exits.

 

[Galder]

why?
it's not like he is using anything flammable for the process.

and why do people conveniently always forget that this a Isekai with Magic, why would they need a fire extinguishers, when someone can easily use Water Magic?

i think even more ppl conveniently forget (or are just ignorant of the fact) that the dude i was responding to made a joke about the excessive security measures in tunnels irl that anyone hardly ever uses and i was simply humoring him with my response. it's really not that complicated. and setting this weird irl/isekai comparison aside since nobody ever mentioned it, you can easily start a fire just by friction if the train and/or the tracks are poorly constructed. in-universe even other components of the train may explode upon impact with enough force even if they are not flammable.

 

[Romisterie]

i think even more ppl conveniently forget (or are just ignorant of the fact) that the dude i was responding to made a joke about the excessive security measures in tunnels irl that anyone hardly ever uses and i was simply humoring him with my response. it's really not that complicated. and setting this weird irl/isekai comparison aside since nobody ever mentioned it, you can easily start a fire just by friction if the train and/or the tracks are poorly constructed. in-universe even other components of the train may explode upon impact with enough force even if they are not flammable.

Considering railroad network already exist albeit non automatic (dwarves and mining) , learning to maintain it is easier since there is already a foundation. Same precautions and safety protocol in terms of ventilation and such in tunnels. Speed is no issue since just by gravity carts can go fast so they already have such concepts of speed manipulation.

 

[Galder]

Considering railroad network already exist albeit non automatic (dwarves and mining) , learning to maintain it is easier since there is already a foundation. Same precautions and safety protocol in terms of ventilation and such in tunnels. Speed is no issue since just by gravity carts can go fast so they already have such concepts of speed manipulation.

and again, you are literally derailing the argument. the point was not if the mc could make this safe or not, which is questionable already since i don't think he has the smarts to ask the dwarves for help, but that you can start a fire even without easily flammable stuff. not to mention that security in mines was absolute ass even in the 19th century when ppl would often die in collapsed tunnels etc and also work in complete darkness. so no way in hell would an isekai world inspired by the middle ages have a "security protocol" in-universe with escape exits etc

 

[McAlastair]

Will the subway have multiple stops? What about ventilation, water prevention, and emergency exits?

He's still pitching the idea. Such specifics will most likely be addressed later. Multiple stops, however, is probably NOT on that list, since it's meant to just be a two way line between 2 cities.

 

[captain_crunch]

For all worrying about this stuff... It's a slice of life Manga, not a hyper realism Train-Sim Manga. They're going to gloss over the fine details since they do not matter to the plot of the Manga. All we need to know is that there's going to be a Subway connection between the capital and duchy and that will benefit Liz and the territory through import/export efficiency. We don't need the details of the ventilation, water prevention, track maintenance, etc. It literally adds nothing to the Manga except to appease the handful of train nerds (I love trains and even I don't care about the fine details)

Just assume these details are handled in the "getting started on this project" phase that Miyabi is in and enjoy the slice of life.

This is a story about isekai crafting though. Part of the reason for many readers for following is to speculate about how an mc is supposed to make modern technology work in the fantasy world. And crafting.

Spoiler

crafting

 

[Morose]

i think even more ppl conveniently forget (or are just ignorant of the fact) that the dude i was responding to made a joke about the excessive security measures in tunnels irl that anyone hardly ever uses and i was simply humoring him with my response. it's really not that complicated.

Well truthfully, it's hard to understand when someone is just humoring or being sarcastic or being serious in comments, as those type of comments are usually with double meaning unless clearly stated.

and setting this weird irl/isekai comparison aside since nobody ever mentioned it, you can easily start a fire just by friction if the train and/or the tracks are poorly constructed. in-universe even other components of the train may explode upon impact with enough force even if they are not flammable.

True, but we haven't even seen what kind-off plan is laid out by MC and those in the construction field, so we can't really complain about the issues that might crop-up (currently the plan is in just conceptual state).

I mean, Chiffon already warned MC and said that he better lay down a proper plan of action for the project before he presents the idea to Duke and those who are needed for involvement. So, he has to cover a lot of basis.

And considering that the concept of Mine Cart already exists in this world (though it's horse-drawn), means they already have some form of anti-friction system in place, and possibly an idea on some form of breaking system in case of emergency (like for example, the horse going berserk).

Yeah, there could be many reasons to cause fire as well, not just flammable items. But like i mentioned, any fire related issues could be solved with Magic & Enchantments.
Heck, i am sure that even an anti-friction or anti-derailment system could be created using Enchantments (if the Author wants to implement).

 

[Morose]

Multiple stops, however, is probably NOT on that list, since it's meant to just be a two way line between 2 cities.

Technically it is possible, but the location and area in-between is important.

Previously MC stated that the distance from Capital to Angelum is about 600 Km by normal road and took them 2 weeks to travel by horse carriage with night & rain breaks in-between.

Though he still assumes the distance to be same 600 Km, even-though he plans to make a straight route between the two positions (which theoretically should also reduce distance).

Now, while MC plans to connect just two cities, i am sure the people of the other Guild's and especially the Duke would try to take advantage of the idea and even might ask to connect other nearby regions.
While it might create issue to divert the route to much (as it would increase travel time), but if any village or town falls in-between the proposed route. It is possible to create multiple stops in this situation.

 

[Scipo0419]

This is a story about isekai crafting though. Part of the reason for many readers for following is to speculate about how an mc is supposed to make modern technology work in the fantasy world. And crafting.

Spoiler

crafting

So, in a Blacksmithing Manga you'd want hyper realistic details on the temperature of the flame, the strength of the hammer blows, the temperature of the blade during the quench (if the blade is even shown to be quenched), the quenching liquid (water vs oil vs blood), the grit of the grinding wheel, the exact length of the blade being forged, the specifics of the materials being used to forge the blade as well as the specifics of the materials used to create the handle and pommel?

It would be a blacksmithing Manga after all, so every detail of the blacksmithing would need to be explained in excruciating detail right?

Don't forget about all the combat Manga that don't go into any detail about the maintenance of the equipment.

This may be "isekai crafting" but it's not "logistics of managing a Subway route in another world." they've not explained in any detail how his other craftings worked, but the subway line needs details like ventilation to make you happy?

 

[Hauberk1800]

Okay, I thought Alicia was just too paranoid about being discarded, but in the end it was totally justified, as they really did dismiss her.

The ojou girl really sucks at communicating her intentions to the poor maid.

She is nobility so...does she really need to communicate that to her maid??

 

[Cobaltzero]

Clearly an american ( tis I an american too)
in almost all aspects trains are just better. Especially when it comes to mass transportation. The reason why america is so goddamned car centric is cause of lobbying by large corporations owned by people like Ford who had an incentive for pushing their new fangled cars. Kind of fucked up that we are praising him for making the first affordable cars when in hindsight it kinda kneecapped our economic protentional by making less efficient use of space, time, and energy. but hey I'm just an amateur who picked up things here or there so what do I know. (yeah I know the assembly line was a neat innovation but it was bound to have been implemented at some point considering the simplicity of the concept) oh yeah jay walking wasn't a concept or a crime till y'know, cars were EVERYWHERE and did you know ROADS WERE ORIGINALLY MEANT FOR PEOPLE. kind of sad how conditioned we americans are for a car centric environment.TLDR cars are not exactly the best idea over trains, and Miyabi isn't only thinking of himself only anyways ( he likes building for other people, not to mention he's definitely the "journey is more important than the destination" kinda guy so his goal isn't only getting from point a to b, cause at that point just build a plane if you're going through all that effort).

America is just poorly set up for train based transportation everywhere. We can blame some of that on zoning laws, but another is just how much SPACE we have. Unlike Europe or much of Asia, we don't have the population density to really argue for trains, which is why buses are much more common. It ends up being much cheaper to build out rather than up in most of America (leading to the characteristic sprawl of American cities) while the opposite is true in much of Europe and Asia, it's cheaper to build up than out.

 

[captain_crunch]

So, in a Blacksmithing Manga you'd want hyper realistic details on the temperature of the flame, the strength of the hammer blows, the temperature of the blade during the quench (if the blade is even shown to be quenched), the quenching liquid (water vs oil vs blood), the grit of the grinding wheel, the exact length of the blade being forged, the specifics of the materials being used to forge the blade as well as the specifics of the materials used to create the handle and pommel?

It would be a blacksmithing Manga after all, so every detail of the blacksmithing would need to be explained in excruciating detail right?

Don't forget about all the combat Manga that don't go into any detail about the maintenance of the equipment.

This may be "isekai crafting" but it's not "logistics of managing a Subway route in another world." they've not explained in any detail how his other craftings worked, but the subway line needs details like ventilation to make you happy?

Yes, some readers would prefer details, or like to talk about it in the comments. In this very thread, there are many comments discussing MCs plan, or about real rail systems. It's common in this genre on Mangadex. While other readers don't need that much info and are free to say so.