Isekai Demo Bunan ni Ikitai Shoukougun - Vol. 5 Ch. 25

[MangaDex]

 

[iSiffrin]

Damn manga Ekdoik is hot af

 

[Kaarme]

Why does Mejis, the founding nation of the hero's religion, sport so many powerful villains? The pope has absolutely nothing under his control. No wonder Laheit could infiltrate and work as a priest in the church headquarters.

 

[Lenasien]

Why does Mejis, the founding nation of the hero's religion, sport so many powerful villains? The pope has absolutely nothing under his control. No wonder Laheit could infiltrate and work as a priest in the church headquarters.

Yup, that church have many flaws on their structural and...

Spoiler: Plus

Yugula is also unhinged, he unconcerned with the world as long Black happy

 

[Otherworlder]

I am still amused that the MC considers something written around the time of WWI to be 'ancient characters' and thus hard to read. That's like saying that Edgar Rice Burroughs's Tarzan or Barsoom novels are nigh unreadable, or the 1911 edition of Encyclopædia Britannica, which forms the basis for much of Wikipedia.

 

[GenericSideCharacter]

I am still amused that the MC considers something written around the time of WWI to be 'ancient characters' and thus hard to read. That's like saying that Edgar Rice Burroughs's Tarzan or Barsoom novels are nigh unreadable, or the 1911 edition of Encyclopædia Britannica, which forms the basis for much of Wikipedia.

After WWII the Japanese government actually made a concentrated effort to change or simplify the kanji used in the country to make them easier to learn and use in daily life. Even other simple areas like creating rules for hiragana or katakana usage or even the implementation of furigana(showing the reading of a kanji in smaller text next to it) happened around this time. The MC grew up in modern times so unless he was particularly interested with writings from that time it'd be hard to impossible for him to know what a lot of things say.

For example the traditional way to write the kanji for "learn" is 學 while the kanji he'd be more familiar with is 学

 

[DanYHKim]

After WWII the Japanese government actually made a concentrated effort to change or simplify the kanji used in the country to make them easier to learn and use in daily life. Even other simple areas like creating rules for hiragana or katakana usage or even the implementation of furigana(showing the reading of a kanji in smaller text next to it) happened around this time. The MC grew up in modern times so unless he was particularly interested with writings from that time it'd be hard to impossible for him to know what a lot of things say.

For example the traditional way to write the kanji for "learn" is 學 while the kanji he'd be more familiar with is 学

Thank you. I had guessed it was like this. The Korean written Hangul alphabet had something of a postwar reform (I think), and we now see simplified Chinese and Arabic characters to help streamline literacy and communications, particularly in the computer age. What an interesting and changing world we live in!

 

[DanYHKim]

Orochimaru, Voldemort, Laheit. Soul transfer seems to be a favorite technique among the evil villains.

 

[colorlesseatstomboys]

Huh I was spot on, well it was pretty predictable... though not that the hero just took the name, but...
Why didn't they consider that they are both the same but the original Yugula just soul swapped into a stronger body... they should think of it since they just saw someone do it.
Also is the OG one even dead? There's no way the founder of resurrection magic and demon lords didn't have insurance.
Lastly with how the MC is, ig he's right.

Yup, that church have many flaws on their structural and...

Spoiler: Plus

Yugula is also unhinged, he unconcerned with the world as long Black happy

Spoiler: Question

By black do you mean the Black Demon Lord? Was he in love with her (I'm assuming "she" since we were shown 6 silhouettes of demon lords and 4 of them looked like girls)
Is this like Thanos with Death scenario?
Or the best guess: was the Black DL dying/dead and Yugula did all this to save her.

 

[Lenasien]

Spoiler: Question

By black do you mean the Black Demon Lord? Was he in love with her (I'm assuming "she" since we were shown 6 silhouettes of demon lords and 4 of them looked like girls)
Is this like Thanos with Death scenario?
Or the best guess: was the Black DL dying/dead and Yugula did all this to save her.

Spoiler: Apparently

Black is somewhat you can call Yugula's friend. She is mild and really love her home town. But one time, that calm situation turning into mess and her home town is destroyed, thanks to greedy person (I forgot who faction that doing it) and anyway she declare to erase humanity. At first, Yugula help her via make her as demon Lords for achieving her revenge but he defeat it later on (via slime ofc) because she is uncontrollable. Black can be revived anytime but the problem is the slime that can hunt entity with huge mana pool in their range zone(demon Lord included) . So Yugula still thinking to try revive her without awaken Slime instinct. Well, it's possible actually but it will be decided for future plot.

For other demon Lords, they also made by Yugula via whims. Some candidates are unfortunate people on their era.

 

[Otherworlder]

Orochimaru, Voldemort, Laheit. Soul transfer seems to be a favorite technique among the evil villains.

My pet theory is that it goes back to the days of first edition AD&D, which ultimately shows how most fantasy authors are big nerds. Using Magic Jar to swap bodies, then just never swapping back to your original, was a cheap way to extend your life that avoided the Con loss from Resurrection, Raise Dead, or Clone, and the wild uncertainty of either Reincarnate or Reincarnation. Plus, you might even get a few extra points in your physical attributes, something most magic-users could always use. Unlike all of these spells save Clone this body-swapping is something that a wizard can do without needing to rely on anyone else's help. Since Magic Jar's duration lasted until you returned to your body, you can just keep casting that spell indefinitely.

 

[DanYHKim]

My pet theory is that it goes back to the days of first edition AD&D, which ultimately shows how most fantasy authors are big nerds. Using Magic Jar to swap bodies, then just never swapping back to your original, was a cheap way to extend your life that avoided the Con loss from Resurrection, Raise Dead, or Clone, and the wild uncertainty of either Reincarnate or Reincarnation. Plus, you might even get a few extra points in your physical attributes, something most magic-users could always use. Unlike all of these spells save Clone this body-swapping is something that a wizard can do without needing to rely on anyone else's help. Since Magic Jar's duration lasted until you returned to your body, you can just keep casting that spell indefinitely.

Aah! A cultural thing!

We see something kinda like the Horcrux dodge in Pirates of the Caribbean, where Davey Jones keeps his heart in a jar. I think in the old movie The Seven Voyages of Sinbad there was another character who kept his heart in a jar or box that was protected in the nest of a huge bird. He therefore could not be killed even when a sword went through his chest. The "heart" being a metaphor for the soul, after all.

 

[Otherworlder]

@DanYHKim It's a pretty old legend, one pulled by Gary Gygax from multiple sources. It's possible that some or all of these writers also got the concept from these older stories, but I believe that it's even more likely that a lot of them played D&D, and got the idea that way, whether they realise it or not. As the most recent Unlimited Lives video (as of this writing) said of a Deep Space Nine episode, "I suppose if you get a load of sci-fi nerds in a room together, it's inevitable that the stories which shape them will eventually start to bleed through." The same certainly holds true for fantasy authors, as well.

 

[DanYHKim]

@DanYHKim It's a pretty old legend, one pulled by Gary Gygax from multiple sources. It's possible that some or all of these writers also got the concept from these older stories, but I believe that it's even more likely that a lot of them played D&D, and got the idea that way, whether they realise it or not. As the most recent Unlimited Lives video (as of this writing) said of a Deep Space Nine episode, "I suppose if you get a load of sci-fi nerds in a room together, it's inevitable that the stories which shape them will eventually start to bleed through." The same certainly holds true for fantasy authors, as well.

It has been said that there are only seven stories (or seven root plots)

from Google's AI summary:

In his 2004 book The Seven Basic Plots: Why We Tell Stories, Christopher Booker proposed that all stories follow one of seven archetypal plots:

1. Overcoming the Monster: A hero must defeat a villainous force.
2. Rags to Riches: A poor protagonist acquires wealth, power, or a partner, loses it all, and then gets it back permanently.
3. The Quest: A hero embarks on a journey to acquire a treasure or reach a location.
4. Voyage and Return: The hero travels to a strange land and returns, transformed by the experience.
5. Comedy: The plot involves confusion and misunderstanding but ends with a happy resolution.
6. Tragedy: The protagonist's fatal flaw leads to their demise.
7. Rebirth: A protagonist is transformed by a life-changing event.

Tolstoy was even more austere, saying that there are only two basic stories: "A man goes on a journey" or "A stranger comes to town."

I think someone later further simplified this into "Something disrupts the norm", but somewhere between the seven and the one, I think all of the meaning gets lost.

 

[Otherworlder]

Tolstoy was even more austere, saying that there are only two basic stories: "A man goes on a journey" or "A stranger comes to town."

I think someone later further simplified this into "Something disrupts the norm", but somewhere between the seven and the one, I think all of the meaning gets lost.

I half suspect that Tolstoy's editor talked him out of his overly reductive first draft version: 'stuff happens'.

I remember a time in school doing a creative writing exercise when one student read their tale about aliens coming to Earth with the cure for cancer. Another student said that it sounded like something she'd heard before, and the teacher commented that there are only seven basic stories. The first student got perplexed and asked, "If there are only seven stories, and one is about aliens curing cancer, what are the other six?"