Isekai Drug ~Yakugaku Chishiki de Monster Musume-tachi wo Toriko ni shite Nariagaru~ - Vol. 4 Ch. 23

[Miserys_End]

That's some olympic level of mental gymnastics, bruh...

Eh, Imperial Japan before and during WWII wasn't exactly a shining beacon of morality. They weren't Nazi Auschwitz bad, but they came close. So those mental gymnastics may not be as complicated as you assume.

 

[FuzzySupernova]

Eh, Imperial Japan before and during WWII wasn't exactly a shining beacon of morality. They weren't Nazi Auschwitz bad, but they came close. So those mental gymnastics may not be as complicated as you assume.

Talking about Japanese in context of two of the most atrocious and inhumane nations of both XX and XXI centuries isn't mental gymnastics? Do both of you live in a cave, or are you both comrades or something?

 

[Miserys_End]

Talking about Japanese in context of two of the most atrocious and inhumane nations of both XX and XXI centuries isn't mental gymnastics? Do both of you live in a cave, or are you both comrades or something?

Oh I would never claim Imperial Japan were the worst, only that before the end of WWII they were in the running. Nazi Germany still set the bar, while Russia and China would take decades to refine and surpass their cruelty.

And while I'll agree the above government are as brutal and they are inhumane, I think some of the Middle Eastern Countries are just as bad in their own ways. Mostly in the repression of their female population. Genital mutilation, stoning for even minor offenses, lack of self-determination, and in some cases even denial of basic human rights...

Point is just because it didnt happen in recent history, doesnt mean it didn't happen. That bad shit happens in just about ever corner of the world we live in. Even the vaulted U S of A can't claim innocence here. Or are you going to say Epstein and his friends don't count?

 

[FuzzySupernova]

@Miserys_End and here comes good old whataboutism, instead of acknowledging that portraying russia and china as victims in any shape or form is just plain stupid.

 

[Miserys_End]

@Miserys_End and here comes good old whataboutism, instead of acknowledging that portraying russia and china as victims in any shape or form is just plain stupid.

But they were victims... and now, decades later, have chosen to act the part of oppressive tyrants. It's not a what could have been, nor what it should be, just plain, fucking, historical fact.

I never said they should be pitied, nor should it be an excuse for their current behavior. Just that there was a small grain of truth in a statement you deemed mentally challenging to comprehend.

 

[FuzzySupernova]

But they were victims... and now, decades later, have chosen to act the part of oppressive tyrants. It's not a what could have been, nor what it should be, just plain, fucking, historical fact.

I never said they should be pitied, nor should it be an excuse for their current behavior. Just that there was a small grain of truth in a statement you deemed mentally challenging to comprehend.

They "were victims" only if you conveniently pick that very point and place of history. And russia was never a victim in the WW2, period, as russia actively enabled it and did countless atrocities itself, during the WW2, as well as looong before and long after the WW2.
Look, I get what the user tried to say, and what you try to say, but picking china and russia as "victims" makes little to no sense, there are countless countries, nations, tribes, etc., which could fit the role much better, they could come up with countless examples more valid and fair but for whatever reason didn't. And trying to portray them as victims shows either dangerous lack of knowledge, or evil intent.

 

[BlackAeronaut]

Eh, Imperial Japan before and during WWII wasn't exactly a shining beacon of morality. They weren't Nazi Auschwitz bad, but they came close. So those mental gymnastics may not be as complicated as you assume.

Worse, actually.

They literally went went all Hannibal Lector on their POWs. There were multiple testimonies and even a few convictions, though these were usually charged as murder with "prevention of honorable burial" because this was so unexpected that the military tribunes didn't even have cannibalism on the books as a crime - they had to make do with what they had.

And then there was Unit 731, where they were working on actual biological weapons by using Chinese people as their test subjects. They were literally planning on releasing deadly diseases for which only their own soldiers would be immunized against.

In fact, they already were using biological weapons against the Chinese by doing things like spreading disease-carrying fleas, contaminating water sources with water-born diseases, and even giving out food contaminated with anthrax.

You can find all of that and more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

 

[hevensdragon]

You're not wrong about the plot of this story, but America did commit to obliterating major cities in Japan till they surrendered. So while China and Russia didn't drop any nuclear bombs, what you're describing did kinda happen.

The part that sets this apart is, clear motive. Here, why he is doing what he is doing is so up in the air. There is a disconnect between what has happened to him, and his decision.
The morality isn't really the problem with the story, its the why.

 

[Bourbon]

Nvm just read the raws. This is actually the most brain dead, mentally damaging story i’ve ever read.

Spoiler

wtf do you mean the giant sea woman breaks the tablet and instead of immediately ordering the guards to kill them she instead lets herself get raped by mc. Props to the author for making slop so bad that even a pig like me would rather go hungry than be anywhere this flaming pile of dog shit. This isn’t so bad it’s good, it’s so bad it’s bad.

gl to whoever keeps reading this cause im done. I’d rather read rent a girlfriend over this.

I mean I haven't read the RAWs yet, but

Spoiler

her ordering her guards to kill him when his much more powerful army is stationed in her port to retaliate sounds like a good way to get her kingdom ransacked.

 

[Bourbon]

Ngl dont really agree with the whole “these people wronged me and my kind so im gonna ruin their entire country and fuck over any and all innocent lives” mentality he has because like ??? By that logic russia and especially china should obliterate japan off the map for everything that happened in ww2. Anyway at this point im only reading this slop because i find the side characters more interesting and compelling than the main cast. (Minus the chick who’s only character trait is im a whore pls dick me daddy)

I mean this was kinda outlined back in chapter 1.

Page 19.

Page 22.

 

[deepcom]

Baffled by the brain of a mangaka that feels he needs to explain how a mirror works but not how the hell everyone could think half a day had passed out of nowhere.

Spoiler

Reading ahead in the raws, what was the point of saving the shark girl in the first place?

 

[w3searcher]

Worse, actually.

They literally went went all Hannibal Lector on their POWs. There were multiple testimonies and even a few convictions, though these were usually charged as murder with "prevention of honorable burial" because this was so unexpected that the military tribunes didn't even have cannibalism on the books as a crime - they had to make do with what they had.

And then there was Unit 731, where they were working on actual biological weapons by using Chinese people as their test subjects. They were literally planning on releasing deadly diseases for which only their own soldiers would be immunized against.

In fact, they already were using biological weapons against the Chinese by doing things like spreading disease-carrying fleas, contaminating water sources with water-born diseases, and even giving out food contaminated with anthrax.

You can find all of that and more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

While I don't think I've heard of cannibalism, there was plenty of inhumane human experimentation by the Nazis during WW2. At a certain point it's all just unimaginable evil and saying one is "worse" than the other is a pointless endeavor

 

[Kosnope]

Seeing her like that probably made the queen go smash the sea god's shrine/tablet so she could save her. Sacrificing her nation's singular strongest protection to save her childhood friend.

Historically stupid decision and also why you shouldn't make homeless people with 0 loyalty to the country queens. Millenia of free and absolute protection, down the drain because one stupid bitch thought her childhood friend offering lolis as cumdumpsters to pirates deserved yet another second chance.

Realistically, pirates should kill everyone right this second in revenge, there is literally 0 reason for them not to. MC only brought two pieces of meat with him, and 1 (one) wyvern outside that can't fit through the window, and MC himself is a weak nerd with literally 0 combat skills. And the common folk/nobles must have a revolution/coup as well, since their braindead queen removed god's protection from them.

Also, I guess this means all that little girls' assblasting was for nothing, since the blockade and starvation are the least of their worries - any nation can invade them now lol.

 

[Miserys_End]

They "were victims" only if you conveniently pick that very point and place of history. And russia was never a victim in the WW2, period, as russia actively enabled it and did countless atrocities itself, during the WW2, as well as looong before and long after the WW2.
Look, I get what the user tried to say, and what you try to say, but picking china and russia as "victims" makes little to no sense, there are countless countries, nations, tribes, etc., which could fit the role much better, they could come up with countless examples more valid and fair but for whatever reason didn't. And trying to portray them as victims shows either dangerous lack of knowledge, or evil intent.

Which is completely the point. At no time have I said the multiple governments Russia and China has had over the last few centuries we're at any point not cruel and amoral. In fact quite the opposite.

My only point has ever been that Japan earned valid grudges for their amoral actions leading upto and during WWII.

 

[The_H_Guy]

Ngl dont really agree with the whole “these people wronged me and my kind so im gonna ruin their entire country and fuck over any and all innocent lives” mentality he has because like ??? By that logic russia and especially china should obliterate japan off the map for everything that happened in ww2. Anyway at this point im only reading this slop because i find the side characters more interesting and compelling than the main cast. (Minus the chick who’s only character trait is im a whore pls dick me daddy)

The main difference is that most Japanese from WW2 are already dead.
And is very unlikely that anything else could have worked. Is not only a matter of revenge.

 

[FgoSegul]

Hey guys i saw and totally read all your replies. I gotta be honest here, you didnt change my mind. But i appreciate the effort some of you put into your responses, unlike others who i will not name directly so as not invite further discourse over a story i’ve already moved on from. (You know who you are)

 

[AutoRedux]

The more I think about it, the less sense her plan makes.

Wouldn't the fact that she asked them to negotiate implicitly give them permission to trade again, thus nullifying the curse? Also, since it was a bad faith plan, wouldn't it count as an unjustified killing, thus killing her?

 

[BanditHadron]

Oh I would never claim Imperial Japan were the worst, only that before the end of WWII they were in the running. Nazi Germany still set the bar, while Russia and China would take decades to refine and surpass their cruelty.

Don't forget about what was happening in Croatia and the other Balkan countries... They got just as bad...

 

[Onsokumaru]

Talking about Japanese in context of two of the most atrocious and inhumane nations of both XX and XXI centuries isn't mental gymnastics? Do both of you live in a cave, or are you both comrades or something?

You are insane or were fed the completely wrong history propaganda.