Isekai Kenkokuki - Vol. 6 Ch. 39.2

[MangaDex]

 

[UPR]

Almus unintentionally causing a immigrant crisis

 

[Tearsax]

Dibel, you should build a big wall and make Almus pay for it.
Some orange-haired dumb-looking dude told me that it works.

 

[Kaarme]

You'd think Dibel would have sent plenty of patrols to the border with the Ash territory. Then he could capture most of the refugees, but allow some to continue on to the Ash territory on purpose. If Almus failed to report them, Dibel would have a reason to take the issue to the king.

 

[zzetal]

@Tearsax If Dibel were capable enough to organize building something like Hadrian's Wall he wouldn't be facing an emigration crisis in the first place.

 

[edwardlou]

@Kaarme that's a really good strategy. But judging the flow of the manga, Almus' comrades would've known in some way.

 

[Goldenzeal]

@Kaarme

While possible, there is a few problem with that.

First off, its impossible to prevent everybody from crossing even if he somehow captures " most " of them, and it's also impossible to prove that the once that got past were found by the MC.
The MC can feign ignorance / incompetence as long as the people is not actually found and even if he is called out for being a bad leader, he can just say the same to Dibel for allowing it to happen in the first place.
Dibel needs solid proof that the refugees are living in the MC´s lands to be able to take this to court and that is going to be pretty hard for him to do so without finding them.
And finally there is a problem with a huge amount of border patrols in itself.
Haveing a too large amount of soldiers on the border is in itself a act of agression and he would most likely be reprimanded for doing so, this is a problem even in todays world with instant communication.
But back in the day when it took days for letters to go around, a large group of soliders at the boarder was more or less a decleration of war.

 

[Kaarme]

@Goldenzeal It's not difficult to stop refugees that travel in a huge column, like we saw in the chapter.

It's Almus's problem if he feels threatened by soldiers at the border, yet not crossing the border. Almus was already pissing off Dibel by feigning ignorance, so if Dibel makes Almus nervous by a mass of soldiers next to the border, you could say they are even. Nobody's going to reprimand anyone for moving soldiers inside his own domain, unless it triggers a war with a troublesome neighbouring country (though such a war would have likely happened anyway in the future). Almus and Dibel are still within the same country.

Dibel could always place a few of his own men among the refugees he would allow to cross the border, unknown to the real refugees. This was already addressed in the comments of the an earlier chapter.

 

[kuroro86]

Thanks for the chapter

 

[Lightbrand]

Dibel's remark is idiotic, nobody cares what your land's rules are if the person in question is currently on my land.

If I forbid same sex marriage or slavery, and one of my people snuck to your land and did that do I go to your territory and talk to you about he broke my laws?

Almus just have to tell him the only law these refugee broke on his land is entering illegally, the main recourse is to send them back. But Almus was to forgive that then Dibel can gtfo. Do a better job at not letting your people leave.

 

[Raudhbjorn]

@Lightbrand
That's the King's law, not the provicial law. That means anywhere in Rosaice Kindom it applies.

@Kaarme
Only a fool would allow a hostile force to enter hia territory unopposed. That's why an act of aggression such as massing troops in the border is tantamount to a declaration of war.

The simplest solution to this whole thing would be for Almus to have Diebel killed and the body disposed of cleanly. With no body, there's no proof he's dead so no succession can take place and the evil underlings can spend their energy jockeying for the regent position. By the time they get shit sorted out, Almus is king and he can just march an army over to Diebel territory and explain to the lesser nobles there how their opinions no longer matter on the issue. They get to keep their posion, but house Diebel dies and their holdings revert to the crown.

 

[Kaarme]

@Raudhbjorn No, it's not. It's not strange to move armed forces for practice purposes near the borders. Some countries even open new military bases right next to their border with their neighbour, despite a long peace existing between them. The neighbour can look at it with displeasure, but there's nothing they can do about it. They can move their own armed forces in response (within their own borders), but it also costs money. Dibel's territory is already suffering, so moving his troops is an extra cost for him. Almus should be somewhat better off, maybe, but even for him it's a nuisance. At least he can also view it as practice.

It's so easy to remove ruling nobles cleanly, huh? What if the people doing it were caught? It would start a civil war before Almus is ready for it. Plus he would lose sympathy majorly if it turned out he's willing to have rivals murdered in cold blood. Any other noble would fear they would be the next. They wouldn't support Almus anymore.

 

[Raudhbjorn]

A) Rule of cool

B) thats what deniable assets and cut-outs are for.

C) The nobles already fear that, which is why nobles have house troops, so the king can't just march in and murder them. And why eventually things like the Magna Carta get written.

D) If they supported Almus in the first place, they'd have already ganged up and wiped Deible out already. Hell, if they had half the brains they claim to have (on account of nobles being of better stock thn commoners) they'd have done it out of self-defense ages ago.

You seem to be mixing up modern statecraft with ancient/medival. Nations that DGAF about the placement of their enemy's bases and tolerate the disposition of their troops on the border do so because they know no one will attack them first. That's because they're members of the nuclear arsenal club. No one invades a country that can vaporize half your population in less than an hour.

 

[Ant1989]

I don't get this deal with refugees. You see people traveling here, why do they think they are going to live there, when they just left their homes, and even if they knew, they aren't slaves, they have the freedom to come and go, so why is such a big deal? If a country forbids people to live wherever they want, that's a country that's enslaving their entire people, such thing would make commerce impossible, and the population would revolt easily if another nation invades. And if your population revolts, you can have all the military you want, it's gonna be impossible to win if your economy shattered. That's basic, such rules are taken for granted here, but they make no sense.

 

[Popoii_From_The_Depths_of_Hell]

Shit even ancient Greece knockoff got a humanitarian crisis