Isekai Kenkokuki - Vol. 6 Ch. 45

[kikix12]

@Kireato What are you talking about?!

Just recently, there was all that deal about the previous fiancee propagating rape culture through first night privilege, having his wives be raped by animals in public and such. One of the women in the previous arc was brutally raped by many soldiers, as well, and there WAS a panel of that.

The guy that Almus killed, that lord which killed Alma's parents, also pillaged the land effectively. He also pretty much pillaged Almus's village. It was "surrender" on paper, but he fully meant for them to die of starvation, and getting that with threats and force during a skirmish.

This story very much had rape and what amounted to pillage.

@Tearsax Doesn't Yuria have a blessing which lets her see the blessings of others?! That ability WAS a blessing, from what I remember.

Technically he also knows the griffin with a lot of blessings...but he's not a 'person' per se.

 

[Kireato]

@Lolipop_Candy
The Huns and Mongols didn't care much about what was and wasn't a war crime. War crimes don't mean a thing when the victor is perpetrating them. Vikings which pillaged the shores also didn't care much about facing armies; they pillaged from the non-combatant civilians.

The Exus are a nomadic tribe specialiazing in horses (because you know, nomads do need a means of moving around), so make them a bit barbaric and you should not expect their pillaging to not be extremely violent.

Also, while Rome referred to others as barbarians, its own acts in war tell quite the story about what a civilized nation back then considered non barbaric. (I mean, it really is all fine when the victor is perpetrating them and writing history; just drag the enemies of Rome in the streets naked and strangle them, raze cities, etc.)

Of course, I don't expect a manga, with characters siding with the MC, to really show us the horrors of pillaging.

 

[Kireato]

@kikix12

Oh, I did not express myself correctly at all. I meant that the Exus, which are siding with the MC, did not ask for the right for their soldiers to rape and pillage, just pillage.

But yes, as you said, the story does have rape and pillage, but it's committed by others. I don't think that the surrender tribute can be considered as pillaging though; after all pillaging would have allowed them to take everything while burning and killing the people. Almus could negotiate the surrender because he also threatened to severely injure the attacking army with his fortifications so it was not worth it to lose the lives of their elite soldiers in order to pillage.

Besides, one could call heavy taxes and first night privilege as pillaging in a way. There's a reason Dibel isn't liked, and it's also the reason I'm arguing that the MC should be wary about pillaging himself.

 

[Bluehammer12]

That was a T-Rex, not a dragon.

 

[kuroro86]

Thanks for the chapter

 

[raidanzoup]

I see, I see. Almus pours his own drink first.

 

[MistLynx]

@kireato We also have to remember these are an entirely nomadic people. They have to transport everything with them so I doubt they will be interested in paintings, rugs or other artistic things very much well maybe some rugs but otherwise it has no use or value to them. Most likely what they will pillage is foods and tools along with livestock all things that can be somewhat easily replaced.

 

[Kireato]

@MistLynx
I'm not so sure about that. They may not have a use for these, but they can sell them and then buy what they need.

Of course, anything with high value and that is easy to carry will be preferred (such as jewelry). Food and livestock are more likely to be directly used by the army while it is at war than to be pillaged to be brought back home. Of course, once the war is over, livestock will be used to carry the goods, but perishable goods aren't really something you should be traveling with (grain and spices and live animals are fine). In any case, there are plenty of goods that have utility and show off wealth such as porcelain, intricate or fancy works of metal (jewelry, spoons, pots, etc), clothes and rugs with intricate embroidery or patterns or made of rare materials such as silk.

Well, I really doubt any of the commoners have such items, so as you say, all that could be pillaged from them is food and tools at best.

Humans like to show off their status, and if they have a highly valued object on display they may very well be fine with packing it and moving it around (or just leaving it in a secure underground cache for when they return to a particular grazing spot), so I wouldn't even claim that they wouldn't be interested in less transportable objects. What better way to prove your power and wealth than to actually transport something ridiculously unwieldy?

But actually the Exus are not even an entirely nomadic people. If I understand correctly, they've already changed their ways and some are moving on from their nomadic ways to settling cities and working the land through agriculture and this is not possible while being nomadic.

 

[tuatara1]

Yeah, I think I'm done with this series.

 

[Izhar64]

Thanks for the chapters

 

[Jpwong]

Ha, would be funny if Sui the horse saw the MC with a new horse and got jealous like in that isekai farming story but then came back and was slaughtered. 2 different horses with totally opposite outcomes.

 

[Tamult]

In what way could pillaging come back to bite him in the ass anymore than anyone else? To his people he still remains the relatively fair ruler. He's so far been exceedingly kind to those he has technically conquered as well. To be terrible to your enemies, kind to your people, and gracious to your allies is kinda a thing to be. Fear can stop wars before they happen, or severely weaken enemy morale. The Horde might have been a terrible enemy, but during their days the Silk Road was considered essentially safe for travel, no need to fear thieves or bandits.

He even prefaces the deal by saying "As long as it doesn't effect our war with the Kingdom", which assuming a somewhat accurate translation means that it could be forbidden against the civilians. Tribes pillaged all the time, heck in Mongolia it was kinda the expected thing before the Khanate came to rule. A lot of people know by now that Genghis' mother and his main wife was picked up in a raid. . . and not by Genghis. The Mongols also picked up silks and rugs, and other things they could use both as a sign of wealth and for trading. If his forces don't engage in large scale and remorseless pillaging, he's not going to be overtly effected by what his allies do.

Of course, this all can be changed by author fiat, for if the story demands it, it shall be so.

And okay there T-Rex, nice to see you survived here?

 

[Julio]

thanks for the translation

 

[barak1997]

@Tamult
I agree, everybody did pillaging from ancient times to middle ages and beyond.

Romans killed and enslaved hundreds of thousands of people when Ceaser conquered Gaul (Romans also paraded around the ''spoils'' of their campaigns through Rome in a ceremony called triumphs) and it didn't bite them in the ass (Gaul became a Roman territory for a long time). If anything, by pillaging Ceaser became richer, his soldiers became richer( which increased his popularity with them) and by parading and handing out of some of the loot with the roman people, it made him really popular with the people aswell.

Alexander's army raped, pillaged and burnt Persian capital of Persopolis(Persopolis was one of the most advanced and richest cities at the time) and it didn't bite his ass either . Persians, Greeks, Romans, etc... they all pillaged one another and themselves.

Wars and sieges are also expensive to conduct, the loot from pillaging fills the coffers of those waging them and on smaller scale armies often pillaged small villages or towns for food and resources( gotta keep them fed) while on campaigns.

 

[Arcara]

Excellent art as usual, shows off the fight great

 

[Arcara]

And sod it with warcrime thing, what Rigard did was reprehensible because he did it to its own and fellow nobles citizens in same kingdom, and its still not warcrime, just ethically unpleasant crime.
Now that they're officially warring, pillaging raping what have you is expected and I don't think the concept of warcrime is invented yet in that world. Blood for blood concept however is as old as time, and if Exus went too far they or Almus can expect grudges and that's it. Chivalry is not a prerequisite for war anyway.

 

[nhoctu97]

pillage sure is a much more serious and meaning word or just because I more familiar with "steal" and "rape" on internet
and I thought pillaging is just pick up loots and weapon to resell after battle-war

 

[zarian2]

Run Almus! He's aiming for your butt!

Oh, he meant just sleeping.

The immaturity of some comment plebs is a little amusing (self-aware comment made immediately after joking about surprise anal).
A lot of times the only way to compensate the thousands of troops you conscript is to promise that they will get to keep the enemy's belongings if they win. It was motivation and payment. And if both sides understand that will happen to the loser and still engage in war, it's not a warcrime, it's a business arrangement.
Kiddos puking happythoughtrainbow sentiments while sitting behind their computer in their almost-certainly first-world country is sort of amazing. Reminds me of American kids becoming "jihadists" and running to the middle east using their parent's credit card and finding out that there is a REAL world out there, usually right about when they get their head cut off on tv, ironically fueling hatred towards the cause they were apparently trying to support.


Got my beverage and iced towel ready, which should keep me cool during my inevitable flaming. Cheers!

 

[nninja_strike]

Its not a modern 20th/21st century world. Its ridiculous to think that badly on pillaging an enemy who's out to kill you.
@zarian2 puts it quite nicely.

 

[Tatsuya-Kai]

@nhoctu97
Depends on the culture, and the method and means of warfare.
For equestrian tribes, pillaging rarely had the sex crime part of it unless they were conquerors, and in general warfare where your just trying to win favorable terms in a war, going all burn, pillage and rape is a bad idea as it destroys any semblance of mercy if the wind blows against you eventually.

Pillaging means taking the enemies belongings, though whether that is the stuff off the soldier's corpses or raiding villages for their belongings again, depended on the army, era and terms, the rape and burn part was not as common as people tend to believe, but it did happen, especially if a army really hated a enemy(a army that did this also set up a fight till the last man sentiment in their enemies, even if only for pragmatic reasons this was a very risky maneuver, as not only did it make your enemy fight harder, it also made it more likely for other nations to fight against you since they see the threat as too severe to tolerate).

Generally even today, it's not unheard of for invading armies to take foodstuffs from storerooms, which also counts as pillaging.