Isekai Maou to Shoukan Shoujo no Dorei Majutsu - Vol. 13 Ch. 61.1 - Trying Out Using the Weapons II

[ciera]

@Miranox did you even read the fricken manga? Diablo gives justification *IN CHARACTER* for why he made those decisions. not to mention Faltra is his base so he didn't need to make the entire city his enemy because that would be an inconvenience to him. and as for Alicia, he left her life in Rem's hands (who forgave and spared her). Diablo doesn't have any excuse to spare no-name enemy combatants threatening his allies (or people he holds a vested in interest in). He had even less reason to show mercy to riajuu and even less than less when they are evil aligned creatures. stop with the "mental gymnastics", Diablo's character has been perfectly consistent if you've bothered to pay attention.

 

[Miranox]

@ciera I gave you examples straight from the manga and you accuse me of not reading it... Do you have brain? WTF is "in character" supposed to mean when he's always "in character". I already explained the excuses he gives for sparing people are flimsy. The dungeon he just went to is his base. Killing the guy who attacked him and subjugating the town/country is what an actual demon lord would do. He doesn't even need the town at all, he could just burn it to the ground, but he won't do that because he's timid and doesn't think like a demon lord at all.
I know what happened in the story, you don't need to repeat it. The fact is that letting his slave girl choose the fate of the woman who nearly killed them is also timid behavior unbecoming of a demon lord. It doesn't matter what excuses the author comes up with, they are flimsy as hell.
I could even point out that if being aggressive is what a demon lord is supposed to be, then why is there a naive loli demon lord who is easily tricked with sweets and basically does whatever she is told?
I could go on. This story has plot holes so big you could fit entire mountains in them.

 

[ciera]

@Miranox Dude, I'm not the one going off on tangents. Your original argument, and the point we are talking about is your assertion that Diablo slaughting the riajuu is OOC. Again I pointed out it's not because hating riajuu is Diablo's thing and he doesn't need a reason to kill no-name enemy grunts - especially when the fricken title of the chapter is 'Testing new equipment' which is what those faceless riajuu grunts did a perfect job at doing. Diablo sparing Galford and Alicia were rationalized by Diablo himself and are perfectly believable rationale considering the circumstances at their respective points in the story. Your insistence that Diablo should spare everyone and be like Batman and not kill anyone is what makes me (and others) doubt you've actually read the story. If you are going to go off on another tangent and suggest the whole story is just bad because you said so, then there's nothing left to discuss.

 

[shanchuphet]

@miranox diablo character is more like, i do what i want, necessarg or not.. so its up to him , he want to spare his enemy or masacre them.. even the enemy is dangerous, some character not kill them because its fun.. but even some enemy is unharmed, just kill it because u dont like it.. diablo also like that..

Even in this story have some plot hole.. its not too big.. and a lot other manga have it too..

If u dont like it, dont read it.. dont be childish

 

[Miranox]

@ciera It's not a tangent, you simply don't understand. I never said anything about what is "believable". I'll break it down so that even you can understand.
1. Diablo's character is fundamentally timid and hesitant. This is proven by him sparing people who try to kill him and giving flimsy excuses since he had no demon lord-ish reason to do so. Furthermore, he is also kind and merciful to many other characters, like a typical good-guy protagonist would be.
2. From point 1, it should be obvious his behavior is not like a classic demon lord at all. He tries to sound like one, but he doesn't act like one.
3. In this chapter, for the first time we saw him kill people who did no harm to him or his group. This is inconsistent with the previous two points. For it to be consistent he would either have to be a classic demon lord or have a ruthless personality, both of which are not the case.

 

[ciera]

>This is proven by him sparing people who try to kill him

@Miranox You're the one who doesn't understand. I explained to you in the very first reply I made to your post. Diablo's 'timidness' is entirely internalized. All of his interactions and external actions, especially those in combat are based on his Demon Lord persona. You could go as far as saying his true uninhibited id is his Demon Lord persona.

>for the first time we saw him kill people who did no harm to him or his group.

This group was on it's way to annihilate the city Diablo was in the middle of helping. His whole reason for going to the dungeon was getting the cow statue which at this point in the story he intended to allow Lumachina to bring back to the church to help contain the outbreak. Are you even reading the manga at this point?

 

[Miranox]

@ciera >Diablo's 'timidness' is entirely internalized. All of his interactions and external actions, especially those in combat are based on his Demon Lord persona
Wrong. All of the behaviors I pointed out are not typical of a demon lord, they are instead typical of a good-guy protagonist. How is this so hard for you to understand?

> This group was on it's way to annihilate the city Diablo was in the middle of helping
You don't even realize it but this only reinforces my point. Since when is a demon lord expected to save people or towns? That's what the good guys do. A demon lord is not supposed to be this generous and merciful.

At this point even a 5 year-old would understand but I guess that's beyond your level.

 

[ciera]

@Miranox You claim not to be going off on tangents but when your argument that Diablo was OOC and you get called out for trying to railroad the discussion into whether or not the writing in the story is good you then try to claim how a Demon Lord should and shouldn’t act. Obviously the ‘Demon Lord’ persona we’ve been talking about Is ‘Diablo the Demon Lord From Another World’ which the author has developed, the one who deeply hates riajuu. But then again even a 5 year old should understand this and make a proper argument rather than resort to infantile name calling. $5 dollars says you will just parrot the same tired arguments that I already refuted earlier or drag this convo off onto another pointless tangent. 😁

 

[Miranox]

@ciera I never said anything about whether the story is "good". What I said is the story has plot holes. Since you apparently don't understand what that means, I'll explain. A plot hole is an inconsistency in the story. This is not a tangent, it's directly related to the inconsistencies in Diablo's behavior. Do you understand?
Diablo himself shows us what he thinks a demon lord is supposed to be. He was clearly trying to portray a classic demon lord in a dungeon during his video gamer days. You pretend like that didn't happen so that you can ignore my argument without addressing it, but unfortunately that won't convince anyone. Such a transparent attempt to salvage your petty ego...

 

[ciera]

@Miranox No one gives a **** about your dumb tangents.

>Diablo himself shows us what he thinks a demon lord is supposed to be. He was clearly trying to portray a classic demon lord in a dungeon during his video gamer days

And WHAT exactly was he doing here? KILLING RIAJUU. That's the very first friggen point I brought to your attention when I replied to your ORIGINAL POST which claimed Diablo killing the Mazoku Orgy Party was somehow OOC. And you are using it to prove your OFF TOPIC TANGENT about how a Demon Lord should act, yet somehow it is at the exact same time supposed to prove he is acting OOC(??). Holy friggen bullocks. Do you even read what you type or keep track of what you are trying to argue? It must impossible with all the tangents you are going off on. Like I said you are pointlessly arguing in circles by either going off on tangents or bringing up old arguments that were already shot down. What a joke.

 

[Miranox]

@ciera Hahaha now you're stooping to just repeating the tangent assertion as if repetition somehow makes it true.
He killed people who invaded his video game dungeon like a classic demon lord is supposed to. Being riajuu made him more eager to kill them, but that was not the sole reason. If it was the sole reason, then why didn't he start killing riajuu in town? Are you gonna tell me there weren't any? lol
That's right. Even if I grant your assertion that "killing riajuu" is his defining character trait, that is still inconsistent with his actual behavior.

 

[ciera]

@Miranox none of your criticisms about the characterization of Diablo constitutes an actual plot hole, which amounted to your bringing that up as nothing more than a tangent to bash the series. And I will call out your continued attempts to derail the convo (i.e. bashing the series, infantile name calling etc) because that is what it is. The original post I replied to was your assertion Diablo was acting OOC by killing the Lewd Demon Crew, which I proved was not the case in my first post. Why you continue to insist you are making an actual "argument" with your inane tangential posting is what is prolonging this pointless converstation.

 

[Miranox]

@ciera You didn't answer what I said of your "killing riajuu" assertion, as expected. I suppose there is nothing you could answer, since it's a glaring inconsistency in Diablo's behavior. You seem to think that declaring it not an inconsistency means you refuted my argument. You have the argumentation skills of a child.

 

[ciera]

@Miranox The author made it a point to make Diablo’s dislike of riajuu an important characterization point, but if you are equating random townspeople to freaking demon lord worshipping generals leading a literal horde of demonic beings intent on destroying a town Diablo has a vested interest in then you are the one who needs their argumentation skills evaluated

 

[Miranox]

@ciera In chapter 1, which you seem to think is the only one that matters for defining Diablo's character, it is implied that he dislikes couples in love. That's it. Where does it say he will spare humans and kill only demons? If anything, the ones killed in chapter 1 are human so your own logic demands that he kill the human couples in town. Well done, you're trying yourself in knots.

 

[ciera]

@Miranox What absurdities are you even speaking? Do you even read what you type? The invaders of his dungeon were ENEMY COMBATANTS. The demonic orgy team and their horde of demonic beings are ENEMY COMBATANTS. 1 + 1 = ???

 

[Miranox]

@ciera You are the one who asserted that he killed them for being riajuu. I stated that no, that wasn't the reason why he killed them and now you're unintentionally repeating my point.

 

[ciera]

@Miranox No shit Sherlock you said earlier he had more than one reason to kill them. That’s why he won’t just kill random townspeople like you stupidly tried to insinuate he should. Rather he even says IN THE FRICKEN CHAPTER — OUT OF HIS OWN MOUTH he decided to be especially ruthless because they were Riajuu (and because he wanted to test his new equipment). To begin with your notion of ‘normal good guy’ like you brought up earlier is ONE DIMEMSIONAL and NAIVE. Diablo is a nuanced character and definitely not a ‘normal good guy’ like you want to believe. Did him killing some demons trigger you that much that you had to drag out this stupid concentration this long?

 

[Miranox]

@ciera Killing townspeople is only implied by your assertion that he killed them for being riajuu. In other words, you just admitted your assertion was wrong, but now you're trying to brush it off like it doesn't matter hahaha!
Why are you bringing up the good guy comparison I made earlier when you yourself dismissed it as a "tangent"? Are you now pretending that most of what you said earlier didn't happen?

 

[ciera]

@Miranox Dude you’re the one who brought up the townspeople spaghetti, and I just told you the conditions for him killing was 1) enemy combatants and 2) riaju which was a reply to your statement about Diablo having more than one reason to kill. Can you even read? Apparently not.

If your addled brain has forgotten, this convo is about your assertion that Diablo killing Satan’s Sex Crew was OOC, which you rationalized by saying Diablo is a ‘normal good guy’ (i.e.kill = bad!). So of coarse it’s worth pointing out when the basis of your reasoning is flawed bologna. Particularly when the author and the events of this fricken chapter contradict you. Oh but then again you’ll just go back to calling the writing shit 🤪