Isekai Meikyuu de Harem o - Vol. 9 Ch. 60 - Genghis Khan (6)

[MangaDex]

 

[wizard_mouse]

Lol, this one was very funny to me considering how weird all this slave isekais are. The dude realized how awkward and actual slave is and that there is no point of treating them differently if you don't believe in slavery... THEN WHY KEEP HAVING THEM AS SLAVES!!!

 

[Xeroxcopy4free]

Noice

 

[Yankun]

Lol, this one was very funny to me considering how weird all this slave isekais are. The dude realized how awkward and actual slave is and that there is no point of treating them differently if you don't believe in slavery... THEN WHY KEEP HAVING THEM AS SLAVES!!!

There might be a lot of reasons.

One of those can very possibly that the slaves actually want the master to have a peace of mind as they still can't really disobey. (Since the slave being sold or not still ultimately get decided by the master, at least, I assume so).

 

[wizard_mouse]

There might be a lot of reasons.

One of those can very possibly that the slaves actually want the master to have a peace of mind as they still can't really disobey. (Since the slave being sold or not still ultimately get decided by the master, at least, I assume so).

Nah bro, I wasn't complaining as if it was a plothole, but pointing at how weird these authors are when it comes to justifying slavery.

 

[Yankun]

Nah bro, I wasn't complaining as if it was a plothole, but pointing at how weird these authors are when it comes to justifying slavery.

Well, justification or what not isn't quite what we can talk about since we abolished slavery due to it being inhumane and these people just accepted it readily.

It's a different world, different rules and different values. I would also say this if you were to compare what we have right now with how it was in our world hundreds of years ago. To put it simply, it's not our place to say anything.

 

[ADudeAndACat]

...Perhaps the whole "taking turns" in bed is stilting some of Sherry's intimacy.

 

[Raydnt]

Sherry was totally schlicking herself on the second last page there

 

[RMXStudio]

Lol, this one was very funny to me considering how weird all this slave isekais are. The dude realized how awkward and actual slave is and that there is no point of treating them differently if you don't believe in slavery... THEN WHY KEEP HAVING THEM AS SLAVES!!!

In this case, the tax benefits.

 

[RMXStudio]

Well, justification or what not isn't quite what we can talk about since we abolished slavery due to it being inhumane and these people just accepted it readily.

It's a different world, different rules and different values. I would also say this if you were to compare what we have right now with how it was in our world hundreds of years ago. To put it simply, it's not our place to say anything.

Eh, well, slavery does still exist in the U.S. It says so in the constitution. Consider the 13th Amendment:

Section 1​

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2​

Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

To look for yourself, https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-13/

Note, I'm not trying to scold you! This is just a hot-button topic for me.

Anyway, with the constitution like that, people in prison, innocent or not, regardless of their crimes, are able to be enslaved. That means sexual deviants and murderers are made to do enslaved labor, but that also means people guilty of petty crimes, like being homeless (which is apparently a crime) and smoking marijuana in the wrong state, are also made to do various tasks. From participating in manufacturing and food production to physically demanding and dangerous positions, they're peppered around us, sometimes without our knowledge.

For example, the Clintons use prisoners to maintain and care for their properties. Yes, I mean President Clinton and his wife. Yes, in the 21st century. Additionally, California uses prisoners for firefighting.

Moreover, certain firms even receive tax incentives for using prisoner labor. It's millions, to sometimes billions, in industry growth depending on the state that allows it. Which, as of 2025, are all 50 states. Rates vary per state, though. Despite doing these important jobs and producing billions in funds and products, they often get paid mere cents for work that's more difficult and straining than most common "minimum wage" positions.

So, uh, I disagree. It's well within our place to discuss it. And it's best if we don't believe it's a foregone era. We're still living in the age of slavery, in the U.S. and in other countries.

Again, I'm not trying to scold you or anything, and I apologize if it comes off that way. Instead, I hope this has been educational.

 

[Yankun]

So, uh, I disagree. It's well within our place to discuss it. And it's best if we don't believe it's a foregone era. We're still living in the age of slavery, in the U.S. and in other countries.

Again, I'm not trying to scold you or anything, and I apologize if it comes off that way. Instead, I hope this has been educational.

You seem to have misunderstood me.

What I meant is that we can not do and have no position in dicussing the problems of a world we don't have access to.
Yes, I meant that to our past history too. We can not change how it happened anymore.

Modern life has abolished slavery as a common thought and knowledge. But the practice of it isn't going out because of exploitation in work.
However, the modern life can be affected by our actions and we can choose to abolish slavery as well as exploitative nature of work places.

Going back to topic though, slavery or not, interaction between people goes in a lot of directions.
And in a society where slavery is supposed to be the norm and has taken multiple forms, there can be a niche where the slaves themselves, while treated as a commodity, are more of companions you can have more control over if you pay. This is what I meant by different rules and values. I admit I was going too far for bringing up history though, since the movement against the practice of slavery isn't exactly recent.

Anyway, it's fictional.
The author can just slap something in to make things seem fine. Like ones that pretty much every slave girls in Manga would: them being slaves represents their bond with their masters.

Yes, it's disgusting.
Should we get disgusted by it enough though, we can just drop the whole thing and let people know how disgusting it is. That's what we can do in this actual life.

 

[RMXStudio]

What I meant is that we can not do and have no position in dicussing the problems of a world we don't have access to.
Yes, I meant that to our past history too. We can not change how it happened anymore.

Modern life has abolished slavery as a common thought and knowledge. But the practice of it isn't going out because of exploitation in work.
However, the modern life can be affected by our actions and we can choose to abolish slavery as well as exploitative nature of work places.

I still quite firmly disagree, especially on the matters of the past. The past informs our present and how we treat people in current systems built with previous ideas. It also helps us understand who benefits from those past systems, why they benefited from them, and why some people in the present may want to replicate or restore certain systems, regardless (or perhaps because) of how it will affect those around them.

Discussing them, in prior and modern contexts, allows us to form our own opinions and acknowledge the opinions of the past. I also think modern life hasn't really abolished slavery, considering the examples I gave. It's common enough that I think a general person may know what a for-profit prison is, and it's common enough that billions of dollars are produced by the practice each year. But I digress—it's not the main topic we're focused on, and I don't really feel like arguing that point further, nor do I feel this is the place for it.

As far as the story goes, I think acknowledging how we know and think of slavery brings up interesting questions of how it may work in these fictional worlds. We wouldn't be having this conversation if we ignored it as how it is. Like, why is it like that? What benefits do people get from it? What sort of safety do they think this system provides, and so on. It's a big part of successful world-building, I feel, to produce a story that causes readers to evaluate these ideas, whether slavery, the economics of the world, or otherwise. It helps it feel more real instead of something convenient or cookie-cutter.

For example, when I replied to the same person you replied to, I mentioned the fact there's certain tax benefits. We learned in previous chapters that, though you do pay more taxes than if you were paying for yourself, you pay fewer taxes for a slave than a free person. So then, for example, would a person struggling to feed their family decide to enslave some of the members but keep them in their home? Is that a viable option for reducing familial taxes? Would they be able to ask a wealthy person they know to buy their enslaved family and leave them in the household?

Or, are there protections against using the tax system in that manner? Are there requirements for something a slave must do to prevent losses?

Sherry's situation is also very thoughtful—with the practice being common enough and her understanding the risks, but still going into slavery to provide more for her family because she wasn't in the right conditions to have her actual knowledge and skills shine the brightest. Moreover, Roxanne and Sherry brought up that slaves can even have negotiation power to an extent, able to ask other masters to buy them if they feel they're being mistreated.

This is what I mean by considering our modern ideas, the fictional world's ideas, and where the logic stands in these cases.

Excuse me for talking a lot, lol. It's a big topic. Regardless, this has been a good conversation!

 

[Yankun]

This is what I mean by considering our modern ideas, the fictional world's ideas, and where the logic stands in these cases.

Excuse me for talking a lot, lol. It's a big topic. Regardless, this has been a good conversation!

Actually, I agree with you on those points.

It's a matter of application.
Bringing up the past to talk about how the modern days should be or looking at the fiction world for a thought experiment is exactly what is great here.

Though I seem to not have understood what you meant fully. I expected you to be questioning/protesting for a change even in this fictional settings.

 

[RMXStudio]

Actually, I agree with you on those points.

It's a matter of application.
Bringing up the past to talk about how the modern days should be or looking at the fiction world for a thought experiment is exactly what is great here.

Though I seem to not have understood what you meant fully. I expected you to be questioning/protesting for a change even in this fictional settings.

Meh, I protest it in fiction sometimes. This story has detailed why it exists pretty clearly, so while I don't like slavery in real applications, it makes enough sense in this story that I won't argue against it. In some other stories, especially where there's poor world-building practices, I like it less and may protest against it then. It kinda depends on the surrounding circumstances whether or not I'm okay with it.

Because Sherry personally chose slavery for tax and monetary benefits for her family and Roxanne went to alleviate the taxes on her family, it doesn't feel the same as enslavement from colonialism, racism, or xenophobia (I understand the supposed logic behind those, but I still hate them immensely more). Of course, prison slavery also exists in this fictional world, but I don't mind it much since it's fictional.

This world doesn't make its slavery absolutely shite 24/7 and then still have the MC perpetuate the cycle without recompense or alternatives in their personal practices, as in many other stories. The MC even acknowledges that it's generally against his more modern principles, yet he's in Rome and does as the Romans do, essentially. It's still against his principles to the extent he won't budge on giving his slaves exceptional treatment, like, he's never gonna let them eat or sleep on the floor haha.

Of course, I'm always gonna feel a little ick with slavery topics, fictional or not, but in this case, I'm of the opinion it's understandable enough that I don't hate it.

And no worries! I'm sure I've misunderstood some of what you've said, too. It's a reaaaally deep topic, but I'm very much appreciating talking it out like this, it's very fun!