Isekai Ojisan - Vol. 12 Ch. 61.2

[shadowmoon522]

Your kind are a danger to walkers.

as someone who has been hit by a car while walking, i'd rather have been hit by a bike...

 

[SpecialProjectY]

as someone who has been hit by a car while walking, i'd rather have been hit by a bike...

There's plenty of protruding things without a cover like handlebars, at same speed you have a better chance to survive if hit by a car due to distribution of impact force.

I'm biking the whole year, sometimes people cross street or bike lane without watching and get impaled, even though I have resting handles on the end of the handlebars.
Once a guy got a deep 1cm puncture would below ribs, even though he wore a jacket and wasn't going fast at all...

 

[Alcion]

There's plenty of protruding things without a cover like handlebars, at same speed you have a better chance to survive if hit by a car due to distribution of impact force.

at same speed

When does that happen?

Also, while you are correct about distribution of force being a factor, you're also forgetting mass and inertia being a factor. If I shoved you into a broomstick dangling on a rope, theres a good chance you'll be fine. If I shoved you into a the same broomstick but with the butt end braced into the ground, you'd get bruising at best, impalement at worst. A car has a crumple zone for this very purpose, but the crumple zone is for against other car impacts, not people. Its better than nothing, but the mass difference between a car and a person is hundreds if not thousands of times, whereas a regular bike usually isnt even as heavy as a person, so with a rider it'd at most be 2x mass.

 

[Pasta-san]

There's plenty of protruding things without a cover like handlebars, at same speed you have a better chance to survive if hit by a car due to distribution of impact force.

I'm biking the whole year, sometimes people cross street or bike lane without watching and get impaled, even though I have resting handles on the end of the handlebars.
Once a guy got a deep 1cm puncture would below ribs, even though he wore a jacket and wasn't going fast at all...

How often is a biker going 40 miles an hour down a side street?

And even if they were going the same speed, what matters to a crash is moment, not speed. A midsized sedan is going to have around 15 times the momentum of a bike at a given speed. That bike is not doing nearly as much damage.

 

[SpecialProjectY]

When does that happen?

Also, while you are correct about distribution of force being a factor, you're also forgetting mass and inertia being a factor. If I shoved you into a broomstick dangling on a rope, theres a good chance you'll be fine. If I shoved you into a the same broomstick but with the butt end braced into the ground, you'd get bruising at best, impalement at worst. A car has a crumple zone for this very purpose, but the crumple zone is for against other car impacts, not people. Its better than nothing, but the mass difference between a car and a person is hundreds if not thousands of times, whereas a regular bike usually isnt even as heavy as a person, so with a rider it'd at most be 2x mass.

How often is a biker going 40 miles an hour down a side street?

And even if they were going the same speed, what matters to a crash is moment, not speed. A midsized sedan is going to have around 15 times the momentum of a bike at a given speed. That bike is not doing nearly as much damage.

You both don't understand.

A car doesn't have protruding parts like bicycle, you're hit by force of impact but also being impaled by whatever sticks out from the bike.

Let me simplify, would you rather be hit by a common baseball bat or Lucille?

 

[Alcion]

You both don't understand.

A car doesn't have protruding parts like bicycle, you're hit by force of impact but also being impaled by whatever sticks out from the bike.

Let me simplify, would you rather be hit by a common baseball bat or Lucille?

I dont think you read what I wrote. Your example rebuttal only takes into account what you've mentioned, and not what I've addressed.

 

[SpecialProjectY]

I dont think you read what I wrote. Your example rebuttal only takes into account what you've mentioned, and not what I've addressed.

"you're also forgetting mass and inertia being a factor"

Mass of an object does affect the force it applies during a collision, but things protruding from bike do add damage. That's the point.

 

[Alcion]

Mass of an object does affect the force it applies during a collision, but things protruding from bike do add damage. That's the point.

Yes, pointy bits increase damage by focusing the force (moment) in a smaller area. I addressed this. I did not refute your point. I simply added that there's more to it than that.

Its simply much easier and generally correct to say more mass = more force = more damage, even if its not always true. You could bring up a bullet not having much mass but doing a lot of damage. I could bring up bullets doing negligible damage depending on where it hits. All the what-if details matter for the final conclusion, but in the general case, more mass = more damage.
To bring it back to your own example, a common bat or Lucille (which I don't know the reference to, but I assume its a bat with nails in it), I'm assuming you'd want me to assume its all else equal, such as mass, force of swing, rigidity of shaft, impact point, etc. In that case, sure, I'd pick the common bat. But my point is that all else is not equal in a bike collision vs a car collision. Is Lucille the size of a toothpick? Being swung at a tenth of the speed of the bat? WIth a nearly broken shaft that will snap on impact? Hitting my fingertip while the bat is hitting my head? In any of those cases I'd pick Lucille.

 

[SpecialProjectY]

Yes, pointy bits increase damage by focusing the force (moment) in a smaller area. I addressed this. I did not refute your point. I simply added that there's more to it than that.

Its simply much easier and generally correct to say more mass = more force = more damage, even if its not always true. You could bring up a bullet not having much mass but doing a lot of damage. I could bring up bullets doing negligible damage depending on where it hits. All the what-if details matter for the final conclusion, but in the general case, more mass = more damage.
To bring it back to your own example, a common bat or Lucille (which I don't know the reference to, but I assume its a bat with nails in it), I'm assuming you'd want me to assume its all else equal, such as mass, force of swing, rigidity of shaft, impact point, etc. In that case, sure, I'd pick the common bat. But my point is that all else is not equal in a bike collision vs a car collision. Is Lucille the size of a toothpick? Being swung at a tenth of the speed of the bat? WIth a nearly broken shaft that will snap on impact? Hitting my fingertip while the bat is hitting my head? In any of those cases I'd pick Lucille.

This is Lucille.

 

[Pasta-san]

You both don't understand.

A car doesn't have protruding parts like bicycle, you're hit by force of impact but also being impaled by whatever sticks out from the bike.

Let me simplify, would you rather be hit by a common baseball bat or Lucille?

Would you rather be hit by a wooden bat, or a pool noodle with rubberized bits sticking out?

Stop spouting absolute nonsense and look at actual data.

 

[SpecialProjectY]

Would you rather be hit by a wooden bat, or a pool noodle with rubberized bits sticking out?

Stop spouting absolute nonsense and look at actual data.

I'm pretty sure there's no rubberized bits nor bike is made out of foam...

 

[Pasta-san]

I'm pretty sure there's no rubberized bits nor bike is made out of foam...

Thanks for exposing that you've never rode a bike in your life and probably never seen one up close. Are you under the impression that when your ride a bike you're holding onto bare metal? Why don't you Google what a bike looks like and take a close look at the handle bars and report back? Bike handles almost always have a rubberized or similar material grip.


Do you even know how to find the impact force of a collision? Do you even know the relationship between force, area, and pressure? If you had even a basic understanding of this you wouldn't be spouting the nonsense you're spouting. I basically did half the math for you in a previous comment, it shouldn't be that hard to follow through if you actually cared to verify yourself.

 

[SpecialProjectY]

Thanks for exposing that you've never rode a bike in your life and probably never seen one up close. Are you under the impression that when your ride a bike you're holding onto bare metal? Why don't you Google what a bike looks like and take a close look at the handle bars and report back? Bike handles almost always have a rubberized or similar material grip.

Just rode a bikes for about 35 years and it's my main type of communication in the city, had more kilometers on it than a car, doing about ~40km daily from/to work and shopping.

I'm pretty sure some GRIPS not handle bars (WTF?) are usually about 2mm thick foam covered in PVC/leather or just foam, with a hard plastic cap so water won't end up in the bar and a tiny hole preventing moisture buildup due to temperature change.
Most GRIPS are from soft or hard rubber, because the softer verity sucks in rainy/humid days and can soak water, making the ride unpleasant but also can cause grips to slide even if a cap is secured.

Besides, everyone sane use bike gloves with padding, not only for comfort but also they protect skin during fall from scratches or tearing flesh from the bone depending on how fast you're going.

Could install END BARS or BULLHORNS, but they're mostly used for long trips to rest hands as horizontal position takes stress on wrist joint and they're seen rarely on bicycles used within city limits. They would softened the damage during accident with a pedestrian, but not much, speaking from experience.

Do you even know how to find the impact force of a collision? Do you even know the relationship between force, area, and pressure? If you had even a basic understanding of this you wouldn't be spouting the nonsense you're spouting. I basically did half the math for you in a previous comment, it shouldn't be that hard to follow through if you actually cared to verify yourself.

Yes I do, in my lifetime ran over more than 10 careless pedestrians.

Most definitely do know the force as most serious accident was a broken ulnar bone with 5mm deep puncture hole, because someone decided to jump right into a bike lane from between parked cars. It's like being hit with a hammer.

Another one was similar, pedestrian running from around the corner right into shared pedestrian/bike path, ending with a fractured hip bone and tissue damage than swollen like a balloon before paramedics arrived, luckily someone was wearing thick jeans.

Blunt force is like being hit by a sledgehammer, even if a car has off-road bull bar that has to have bended angles, unless you want some illegal Mad Max style which is prohibited.

You may be right on math, but lack imagination and experience.

 

[Pasta-san]

Just rode a bikes for about 35 years and it's my main type of communication in the city, had more kilometers on it than a car, doing about ~40km daily from/to work and shopping.

I'm pretty sure some GRIPS not handle bars (WTF?) are usually about 2mm thick foam covered in PVC/leather or just foam, with a hard plastic cap so water won't end up in the bar and a tiny hole preventing moisture buildup due to temperature change.
Most GRIPS are from soft or hard rubber, because the softer verity sucks in rainy/humid days and can soak water, making the ride unpleasant but also can cause grips to slide even if a cap is secured.

Do you realize that the place the grip is located... Is on the handlebars?

At this point it's hard to tell if you're intentionally acting like this if this is genuine.

 

[SpecialProjectY]

Do you realize that the place the grip is located... Is on the handlebars?

At this point it's hard to tell if you're intentionally acting like this if this is genuine.

Yeah, but it's not the handlebar it's the grip.

You're trying to be right but avoid logic.