Isekai Tensei Soudouki - Vol. 8 Ch. 64 - In Purgatory

[google_play88dex]

@kikix12 u forget to add arc with momentum, r u retard mentioning arc while assuming it was more like a straight line like nowadays firearm? do a math kiddo.
arrow is super effective adding height advantage to the momentum of firing arc not to mention to use steel head arrow and piercing head arrow.

 

[ReficuLSolbaiD]

@kikix12 cross bows use bolts, not arrows, and were specifically designed to penetrate armor... seriously, their penetrative power was like comparing a BB to a full metal jacket -.- While the few knights who were capable of wearing full plate could resist them at a distance of greater than 50m, within 40m a steel headed heavy crossbow would impale a fully armored unit... Arrows were generally aimed at joints to great affect, especially since there was only 1 properly armored person per 100 in a 1k man unit. The use of arrows were much more useful in base defense, however, since they had the high ground and could shoot DOWN. Arrow volleys, which could reach a range of 400m (trained longbowmen with an extremely heavy draw), were used for several different reasons, from initial attacks against light armored units, which generally made up the vast majority of any invading force, to disrupting enemy formations. In reality, even paid soldiers was lucky enough to have a metal helmet and wooden shield -.-

OH but I do agree that using basic arrows against heavy infantry is dumb as nuts. You use Cavalry and artillery against those slow moving pieces of meat.

@google_play88dex the reason the arrow arcs is because it's LOSING momentum. If you knew anything about firearms you'd know that they also arc once they begin to lose speed (why do you think scopes have those lines in them -.-); maths, you should do them. Arrow volleys have the same effectiveness as when you shoot a gun straight up into the air and the bullet comes back down on top of you. Arrows are extremely effective when you are already have the height advantage, but loses that effectiveness as you become closer to the ground. There is no such thing as a "piercing arrow head" though there are arrows that are designed for deeper penetration. Arrows that are designed for deeper penetration are less lethal due to a cleaner wound and having a thinner head and, thus, are non-desirable in a normal war setting. Instead, they developed the crossbow with the bolt, which sacrifices a bit of accuracy for MUCH, MUCH more punching power.

 

[jorgeDS]

@ReficuLSolbaiD You aren't entirely wrong, but not even crossbows can easily penetrate decent plate armor, at least not medieval crossbows. The reason bows and crossbows were still commonly used is that, first most soldiers didn't have a full set of plate armor, and second early plate armor didn't cover all of the body so if you got lucky and hit mail or an unprotected spot you might get a kill. This is also why arrow volleys were a thing, rain down hundreds of arrows and there's a good chance you kill at least a few soldiers before the fight even starts. Also while arrows won't penetrate plate, they will dent it and sometimes get stuck on it, which could be a detriment in battle.

Another interesting fact is that good plate armor could withstand even early firearms, which is where the term bulletproof came from.

 

[ReficuLSolbaiD]

@JorgeDS Just so I don't forget, Gambeson could stop early firearms. In fact, it was used as a cheap stop gap measure during even the revolutionary war to force the enemy to get so close before they fired off their rounds. (get them to come in close enough that they could only exchange 1 shot before a full charge could make it to them)

Full plate was something only high ranking nobility could afford (3 or 4 soldiers across an ENTIRE battlefield). There was NO standard army that had a unit of full plate soldiers. Cross bows COULD penetrate full plate at the chest, head on (curvature causes too many glancing blows), but it's a lot more effective to just shoot the horse their riding on. crossbows also didn't have a long life span back then though x.x but a few AP shots is enough. The later, better crossbows you're talking about are probably the ones that used full metal bolts instead of wood with steel tips, which had enough momentum to just knock a man off his horse instead of hoping to kill it, but also used a crap ton of metal -.- cost effectiveness put them out of business in a hurry. Incase you're wondering, being punched in the chest so hard that you move from 22 mph to 0 only to fall 6 feet to the ground doesn't feel the greatest, especially when you are in the middle of a hack'n slash and everyone is aiming for your head.

 

[Bearman851]

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