Isekai Yururi Kikou - Vol. 3 Ch. 16 - I'll Always Be By Your Side

[flannan]

@cor3zone - your democratic theories have two problems:
1) This is a fantasy world where ruling class can be high-level enough to ignore the majority opinion. This is pretty much the exaggeration of the real middle ages, where a knight had a lot of advantage in strength over peasants.
2) This is a fantasy world, and there are gods in there, and they get to make the rules too. No matter what all humans say, enslaving and abusing children of a water god is punishable by divine intervention (usually on the scale of erasing cities, but it could be worse) if it is not remedied quickly enough. So yeah, killing a slave trader or two is an acceptable price to avoid the worst case scenario.

 

[cor3zone]

@flannan My original comment, which started this whole discussion, was directed at someone pushing their own ideas of 'justice', which has to be based on our reality, onto the story. So I responded with another form of 'justice' based on our reality.

Flipping your argument: if they are so powerful as to ignore the will of the people, why even bother with the useless peasants at all? Why form a country to protect them, when you can just protect yourself with your own power?

Why are the ruling class the ruling class? Because they have money or social status. Why do they need money or social status? Because society exists. It's a circle; you can't have a ruling class if the majority isn't worth ruling over. Yes, in history the aristocracy abused the people. Look what happened pretty much everywhere in history: bloody rebellion.

Ok, so killing slave traders is fine if it prevents divine intervention? Well shit, now the demi-gods are in the care of a criminal, an enemy of the state. Divine intervention is now unavoidable if the gods want to ensure the children's safety.

 

[Doomer]

so his plan was to just demand those kids to become his slaves without any paperwork or either of them having a slave mark and to do it in broad daylight in the middle of the street? how exactly did he expect that to work out on his favor?

 

[Drifter]

@Silwith You gave my post a lot more thought than it deserves. It was just a tongue in cheek way of saying I think the guy who threw two cute kids to the wolves deserves a horrible end.

 

[Silwith]

@Drifter Now im sad, i wanted to see that guy in a prison with gay goblin-guards... XDDDDDDDD

 

[flannan]

@Doomer - he conspired with a corrupt noble and planned to use his influence. But no amount of noble titles and influence can beat modern food.

@cor3zone - MC isn't enemy of the state, he is a divine messenger. That's how gods-based morality works.
I wish people would stop assuming fantasy worlds don't work like modern world only when it will make things worse. A major draw of fantasy is that mighty protagonists can get away with anything, and the don't kill people because that is their choice, not society's choice.

 

[cor3zone]

@flannan If he broke the law, he would be an enemy of the state. The state doesn't know he's a divine messenger, just that he broke the law, and if they did know he wouldn't need to break the law. If the state knew about the true nature of MC and kids, they would punish the slave trader immediately. Meaning MC doesn't need to do it himself. Since they didn't punish the slaver right away, they can't know.

Besides, if the gods were worthy of obeying, this situation would never have happened. A god gets a human pregnant, which kills her, and his kids ends up being slaves. The god is fuck-knows-where, so his colleague has to sent someone they accidentally killed to take care of the problem, because they can't fix it themselves apparently. It seems the gods have very little actual influence in the world, and less competence.

Edit: besides, you're the one "assuming fantasy worlds don't work like modern world". Nobles can ignore the people because they have higher levels? Come on, that is assuming fantasy society differs from real society if ever I saw it. It's even about your precious "choice"; nobles choose to act like assholes because their levels mean they can.

 

[WingZeroHeeroYuy]

To be quite frank here, I wish he would've just went full on Inuyasha wind scar on that fat piece of shit just so we can't have any more of his nuisance.

 

[beeqwop]

Lol that starts out with the correct proposition that slavery is vile but then ends with the so-called poetic justice of enslaving the slave merchant, which Takumi doesn’t even think about once

 

[sjmcc13]

@cor3zone : the water god disappearing has no excuse, he is ditching his work and kids. As to the others

Spoiler

there are limits on their actions and they can not act directly for several reasons including a balance of the elements. The water god does have a retainer on the mortal world like Takumi is for the wind god, and the gods asked him to do something but he said no for certain reasons that will make sense when he shows up (which should be soon)

Also, most of the nobles in this series are far from jerks, it is a bit refreshing in that regards. Though the "bribing" with new foods (and it goes on, let it be known this is a foodie manga) helps.

 

[cor3zone]

@sjmcc13 If they are so restricted, and apparently not all good at their jobs, they don't deserve worship, IMO.

 

[halloween20]

@beeqwop MC didn't say all slavery is vile. he just thinks making children slaves is vile, especialy when he thinks about elena and allen.

 

[flannan]

@cor3zone about gods

Spoiler

gods in this setting are bad at doing small things. It's easy for them to flood a city, but it's hard to fill a cup with water. Or something like that. When they need to be more subtle, they call on their agents in the world, like Takumi.
Are they worthy of worship? It depends, but they do help people out occasionally.

 

[cor3zone]

@flannan That doesn't help change my opinion that they are incompetent, and thus useless.

Spoiler

Why care about some divine messenger when the gods are more likely to kill by accident than actually help?

 

[beeqwop]

@halloween20 yes and that is an interesting hiccup lol

 

[exxp]

Children of a god because slaves once before? Seems like the water good is... no comment.

 

[Boots]

As much dislike as I have for the corrupt noble and slave trader tropes in these stories, I was surprised to see both of these problems show up and get resolved within two chapters. We only see the slave trader for this one chapter, and we never see the Baron. These two chapters could have been cut and absolutely nothing would have changed.

It felt like an afterthought, or some sort of obligation before moving on to the next part of the story.

 

[flannan]

@cor3zone

Spoiler

gods in this story are reasonably good at what they are doing. Which is not much, which is a good thing. You don't want to live in a world under construction.
But from a practical point of view, people are more likely to listen to a messenger of a guy who can destroy cities than to a messenger of a guy who does something useful.