It’s Time to Change the Genre - Ch. 106

Dex-chan lover
Joined
Apr 23, 2020
Messages
65
So...did Judith...yeah ok I think I get it. Lucas went back in time. I think Judith did too. But the 'real' Judith was possessed by the MC, and now she is just a ride along seeing where it goes.
 
Supporter
Joined
Sep 18, 2020
Messages
504
Well, I couldn't see how the reincarnated Judith could have ended up being an abusive parent/guardian, and I guess she didn't, not really . . .

I didn't think that her love for her sister would end up twisting into anger at Jonas, and through the resemblance, Lucas. And it never occurred to me that the demand for money could have been her angrily lashing out at the world for the situation she's in, and the losses she's suffered.

Judith was screaming at the world to give her back what she lost, and because so much of the life of someone who's poor is focused on money, her scream of anguish and anger came out as a demand for payment, something to relieve that continual crushing need . . . And because Reudiger is Reudiger, that was both the most disgusting thing she could have done at that moment and the simplest thing for him to deal with - a purse full of coins and he's done with her. A few minutes of dislocated turmoil, and they never see each other again - Reudiger going off, never realising he'd met the woman he could have fallen madly in love with, and Judith left with only a portrait of her sister and a few coins.

. . . but we still don't have any certainty about what the underlying plot here is - was Judith telling the truth here? Was there no reincarnation, no original novel, nothing here except perhaps some childish fantasy? The fact we've come back to this point, to the world of our Judith and a Lucas who loves her, suggests those thoughts were just the musings of a woman who had lost everything, including hope. But . . . what if the Judith who's just woken up has the memories of the timeline we just saw?

ugh - it's great being able to speculate about stuff like this, but right now I just want to binge read this whole damned story until the bitter end, so I can find out some answers . . . .
 
Dex-chan lover
Joined
Jan 12, 2023
Messages
841
"OK then, give me some child support money in that case!"

Winterwald disgusted blank expression

"Alright, see... It... That went way better in my head..."
 
Dex-chan lover
Joined
May 24, 2018
Messages
1,267
I really like how there's no black and white here. Everyone has purpose, everyone has their own reason.
Guess it will be something difficult to accept for some "readers" lol.
 
Double-page supporter
Joined
Mar 1, 2023
Messages
47
I’m sorry but that feels cheap. I was totally on board with a restart but to do a rug pull again like that feels wrong.
 
Dex-chan lover
Joined
Sep 8, 2019
Messages
2,015
That doesn't make sense, she literally start the story by saying she remembered a previous life and just forgot over time so she indeed was a reincarnator.
 
Fed-Kun's army
Joined
Aug 13, 2019
Messages
70
I think this story is might all be about perspective.

The 'novel' says og!Judith was an abuser and the highlights the festival as neglectful caretaker. But now we know it's not the case....

I don't know, this reveal seems real similar to when we get to know time-travelled!Luca sees his uncle as a cold duty-bound person with no emotions cause of how young!Luca's POV of that assassination attempt is very different from Judith's 'novel' POV (chpt 87).

From a young kid's POV, he might not have understood how much og!Judith had to work for them, only knowing a seemingly kind uncle coming for him and bringing him to a completely way richer place, away from his seemingly neglectful aunt. Not sure what's up with the og!Judith harassing what's his name for more money, maybe that's og!Judith coming to her senses that she basically just sold Luca off in a fit of angry and was trying to get Luca back.

Really curious about what exactly is the 'novel'. Og!Judith is now confirmed to be the same isekai!Judith, just from birth instead of remembering as a grown adult (did the time-travelling wish power thing displace Judith's memories? Causing amnesia? Causing her to forget her life as Judith all the way back to her previous life's death? Making her assume she replaced og!Judith when she is og!Judith). Rereading chpt 88 and the 'novel' that Judith remembers was hinted to be off. Now og!Judith who does have memories of her previous world, says there's no actual novel???
 
Supporter
Joined
Sep 18, 2020
Messages
504
I think this story is might all be about perspective.
Absolutely this. And one thing I've noticed (and commented on before) is that we get to see exactly what Judith sees - there's never any breaking out of her perspective, except very occasionally when we're seeing her hearing about someone else's perspective or memory (and thus Judith's imagination showing it).

I've long thought this was a deliberate choice, one that puts the reader in a position where we can see that there's lots of stuff going on outside Judith's sphere without ever actually getting to see them. It's also a choice that's now put the readers in a position where we have to ask ourselves "Is Judith a reliable narrator?" She's certainly not consciously unreliable (though that's a rare way of doing an unreliable narrator - they're almost never knowingly lying to the reader), and she's always seemed very direct and honest and reliable, but now? Finding out that Judith wasn't isekaied, that she was reincarnated after a full life, as a child . . . that her past didn't seem to match the novel very well, and then suddenly it does, and then this?

The best kind of unreliable narrator is someone who's simply honest and straightforward in telling things as they see them - so honest and straightforward that you never think to question whether their perspective on reality is accurate or not. Judith's view of things has been so totally dominant in this story that it's never even seemed like an individual's perspective, but the fact that it is Judith's perspective just got dropped on our heads like a tonne of bricks . . .
The 'novel' says og!Judith was an abuser and the highlights the festival as neglectful caretaker. But now we know it's not the case....
Yeah, and this is done really well - as I said in my comment on the last chapter I couldn't see how this reincarnated Judith would turn into the abusive aunt of the novel . . . and then there it was, not only plausible, but quite convincing (and heartbreaking).
I don't know, this reveal seems real similar to when we get to know time-travelled!Luca sees his uncle as a cold duty-bound person with no emotions cause of how young!Luca's POV of that assassination attempt is very different from Judith's 'novel' POV (chpt 87).

From a young kid's POV, he might not have understood how much og!Judith had to work for them, only knowing a seemingly kind uncle coming for him and bringing him to a completely way richer place, away from his seemingly neglectful aunt. Not sure what's up with the og!Judith harassing what's his name for more money, maybe that's og!Judith coming to her senses that she basically just sold Luca off in a fit of angry and was trying to get Luca back.
One of the big questions I've had is why Luca at the start of this timeline was so insistent on staying with Judith. It always felt a bit off, and learning he was a regressor didn't actually resolve it - if the Judith of his original timeline was the abusive guardian of the novel, why would he be so insistent on staying with her?

This . . . may answer that, finally - if his original timeline was the one that Judith just remembered/relived, then he must have been aware that she was struggling to bring him up as best she could, even though she wasn't happy. And possibly the rest of his life before he regressed taught him that people can love you and care for you even when they're not happy, so he was able to find a different perspective on how his childhood went, and how his aunt actually felt about him.
Really curious about what exactly is the 'novel'. Og!Judith is now confirmed to be the same isekai!Judith, just from birth instead of remembering as a grown adult (did the time-travelling wish power thing displace Judith's memories? Causing amnesia? Causing her to forget her life as Judith all the way back to her previous life's death? Making her assume she replaced og!Judith when she is og!Judith). Rereading chpt 88 and the 'novel' that Judith remembers was hinted to be off. Now og!Judith who does have memories of her previous world, says there's no actual novel???
I'm still on the fence as to how the timeline Judith has remembered fits with the current timeline - there are still too many things that leave me going "Hmmmm" . . . Well, I say "too many things", but in practise they all boil down to how Luca's regression and Judith's regression/reincarnation fit together - are they linked, and if so how? And if they're not linked, how on earth does this hang together?

But I think we'll get an idea about some of this when we know which Judith it is that just woke up.
 
Dex-chan lover
Joined
Apr 23, 2020
Messages
65
No, MC is Judith, she just got reincarnated then reincarnated back when Luca went back in time
No, no. I am saying there are two Judith. The story's original and our MC who took over Judith.

I feel like what is being hidden is there was a great time reset and only some characters realize this. Lucas is one becus he came out and said it, there may be others but I haven't been paying attention enough to state if there any others. Maybe Granny Winterfeld but that is just a wild hunch based on how quickly she takes in Judith. The original Judith is now a passenger in Iseki Judith's head. She is feeding new Judith memories and watching the new story play out.

However, among the numerous revenge storeies I have seen in two lifetimes, I have never read a novel called 'Master of the Winter Forest.' Because that wasn't a novel, it was a realiity.

Original Judith is stuck in new Judith's head. But since she saw how the story played out before, I think she wants to see a different ending.
 
Dex-chan lover
Joined
Aug 10, 2018
Messages
107
No, no. I am saying there are two Judith. The story's original and our MC who took over Judith.

I feel like what is being hidden is there was a great time reset and only some characters realize this. Lucas is one becus he came out and said it, there may be others but I haven't been paying attention enough to state if there any others. Maybe Granny Winterfeld but that is just a wild hunch based on how quickly she takes in Judith. The original Judith is now a passenger in Iseki Judith's head. She is feeding new Judith memories and watching the new story play out.



Original Judith is stuck in new Judith's head. But since she saw how the story played out before, I think she wants to see a different ending.
She is the same Judith there are no MC and OG!Judith.

There is only one soul, it's just our MC got a chance to live a good life before being wound back to the world where Luca is
.

Plus she specifically said she never really read the novel where she thought she read Luca's story from, plus she remembered details that the story also never mentioned like the name of the carriage rider, that a novel wouldn't go into detail or never did. I'm guessing the rest of her knowledge will be explained later

because from what I recall from the novel spoiler thread, she dies quite a bit later and tries to actually help Luca? But got fooled by Franz? It's been a long time since I read it but I do recall that she does get involved after Luca is taken
 
Member
Joined
Dec 21, 2023
Messages
33
I’m sorry but that feels cheap. I was totally on board with a restart but to do a rug pull again like that feels wrong.
nah,it actually makes more sense for me and solved some confusion i had if it was really a novel isekai,as it was hinted at from way back (about how some events didn't exist in the "novel" and the memories that didn't make sense how she can see)
Plus she specifically said she never really read the novel where she thought she read Luca's story from, plus she remembered details that the story also never mentioned like the name of the carriage rider, that a novel wouldn't go into detail or never did. I'm guessing the rest of her knowledge will be explained later

because from what I recall from the novel spoiler thread, she dies quite a bit later and tries to actually help Luca? But got fooled by Franz? It's been a long time since I read it but I do recall that she does get involved after Luca is taken
i didn't read the novel,but from the later chapters,she collaborated with franz to bring the family top hierachy,but when she found out luca will get killed in the process,she did something that ruined a big part of his plans to save him,which got her killed in the end.
and luka only found out at the end from franz himself,that along with "another thing",made luca quite fond of his aunt despite everything that happened
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Top