Itsuka Fukushuu Suru so no Tame ni - Ch. 18 - Something good will definitely happen tomorrow too.

[Burner5]

That's besides the point-- he already spent who knows how long pretending he already did, during which she's constantly expressed her contrition.

My original point was he would not want to forgive her after only a short time of her actively trying to seek his forgiveness. She was initially responding to his "forgiveness" with questioning as both for understanding and as a means to soothe her own guilt. Thus, in his eyes, it doesn't count.

Again, the chapter titles indicate he doesn't actually want to die on account of his suffering.

The chapter title is a response to her questioning if he wanted to die from the CURRENT bullying. It does not suggest he wants to live.

And given his setup, they were stupid-ass revenge plans. These revenge plans are pre-approved for disability.

Beside the point.

I'm pretty sure it was "rape" specifically, and that aside, she produced CP. Even if that was specifically the case, that just means that they could hit her with a bunch of other statutes that collectively constitute sexual assault-- not that female-on-male sex offenders and rapists get a free walk.

The point being that if it took this long for males to be recognised as sexual assault victims then it is unlikely that he'd be able to go to the cops over the bullying that happened when they were younger without stigma. Making him very unlikely to go to the cops. It does mot matter if she gets jailed or not, he would still have to face the social judgement for being a victim

...no, the title "I wonder whether you'd suffer more if I died" implies that. The title "It's not like I wanna kill myself over my suffering" explicitly expresses that he wasn't suicidal at all, let alone at the start of the story.
...pardon?

Are you not seeing the "not"? Or the "over my suffering"?

My point is he was suicidal because of HER bullying and thus wanted to kill himself to make HER suffer while she is happiest.
He was not suicidal over the CURRENT bullying. THAT IS WHAT THE TITLES ARE IMPLYING!

Or just join in the bullying she was already enduring, because he's clearly revenge-challenged and can't be trusted to make rational and efficient revenge plans.

He wanted to have a personal revenge and was executing it in the best way he could. It was supposed to be a long con. Joining in the bullying would have made his revenge petty and small.

 

[Eighty-six]

My original point was he would not want to forgive her after only a short time of her actively trying to seek his forgiveness. She was initially responding to his "forgiveness" with questioning as both for understanding and as a means to soothe her own guilt.

She wasn't trying to soothe her own guilt-- she outright says she can't be forgiven, on at least one occasion. His pretense, his continued association with her, and his continued aid during that association, serve as a (false) answer that A) he's forgiven her, and B) she doesn't have to do anything to make amends.

The chapter title is a response to her questioning if he wanted to die from the CURRENT bullying. It does not suggest he wants to live.

But nothing until chapter 13 suggested he already wanted to kill himself. It never comes up until the chapter 13 title.

There's also zero suggestion prior to chapter 13 that his revenge would involve suicide. His revenge was "interrupted" by his getting jumped, and the progress he made was reverted-- if his plan all along was to commit suicide in order to bring her despair, then A) he wouldn't wonder if killing himself would hurt her, and B) he wouldn't commit suicide when all his progress was reverted, because his plan would have been to kill himself when he had sufficiently ingratiated himself with her.

The point being that if it took this long for males to be recognised as sexual assault victims then it is unlikely that he'd be able to go to the cops over the bullying that happened when they were younger without stigma.

1. Law changes because of culture. They had to have already thought the law was outdated or insufficient, well before then, in order to have the political capital to change the law. Regardless of any sexual assault, though, she produced CP, which is legally and socially radioactive regardless of the sexes of the perpetrators and victims.

2. The event was already known beyond them-- what further stigma could he endure by bringing up these existing circumstances to law enforcement?

3. Back then, he was already being bullied-- why would he worry about stigma?

4. His aiding and associating with the FMC has led to his stigma now, which he had to have expected just based on him interfering with presumably community-sanctioned bullying.

He wanted to have a personal revenge and was executing it in the best way he could.

Sometimes we need to know our limitations and accept our circumstances. In this guy's case, he did not have the facilities for this at all. Now his plans have gone so far south he's probably going to be consensually siring his fifth child with this girl "for the sake of his revenge"-- he stopped being behind the wheel after he failed to fall on train tracks. Now he's getting dragged along by this girl trying to make him happy, while he futilely wishes she'd kill herself.

 

[Burner5]

She wasn't trying to soothe her own guilt-- she outright says she can't be forgiven, on at least one occasion. His pretense, his continued association with her, and his continued aid during that association, serve as a (false) answer that A) he's forgiven her, and B) she doesn't have to do anything to make amends.

Saying she can't be forgiven IS her trying to soothe her guilt. She is trying to get reassurance that it is ok for her to try to build a relationship with him. She feels bad for her prior actions and wants him to say she can be forgiven so she can be happy.

But nothing until chapter 13 suggested he already wanted to kill himself. It never comes up until the chapter 13 title.

There's also zero suggestion prior to chapter 13 that his revenge would involve suicide. His revenge was "interrupted" by his getting jumped, and the progress he made was reverted-- if his plan all along was to commit suicide in order to bring her despair, then A) he wouldn't wonder if killing himself would hurt her, and B) he wouldn't commit suicide when all his progress was reverted, because his plan would have been to kill himself when he had sufficiently ingratiated himself with her.

A) he is wondering if he made enough progress in order for her to care
B)there are two reasons to counter that thought:
1)Her regression would have worsen without any way for him to really counteract it thus he was cutting his losses.
2)He didn't want to deal with any further complications, thus tried to execute his plan as quickly as possible.

1. Law changes because of culture. They had to have already thought the law was outdated or insufficient, well before then, in order to have the political capital to change the law. Regardless of any sexual assault, though, she produced CP, which is legally and socially radioactive regardless of the sexes of the perpetrators and victims.

2. The event was already known beyond them-- what further stigma could he endure by bringing up these existing circumstances to law enforcement?

3. Back then, he was already being bullied-- why would he worry about stigma?

4. His aiding and associating with the FMC has led to his stigma now, which he had to have expected just based on him interfering with presumably community-sanctioned bullying.

1. Law may change because of culture, however that does not mean society will be as open and accepting as the law would suggest. See how LGBT issues are treated despite laws.
2.Does EVERYBODY from now to the end of time know his circumstances? No. Informing the cops has the risk of causing more people who will interact with him in future to know about his victimhood which could worsen those relationships.
3. For numerous potential reasons: cops won't believe him/laugh him off; is thinking about moving schools but doesn't want the SA thing sticking to him; is scared of revenge from bully etc...
4. That is beside the point as this is long after the events.

Sometimes we need to know our limitations and accept our circumstances. In this guy's case, he did not have the facilities for this at all. Now his plans have gone so far south he's probably going to be consensually siring his fifth child with this girl "for the sake of his revenge"-- he stopped being behind the wheel after he failed to fall on train tracks. Now he's getting dragged along by this girl trying to make him happy, while he futilely wishes she'd kill herself.

His revenge plan was foiled due to outside interference. He was trying to muddle with the best he could.

 

[Kimochi-kun]

Sometimes we need to know our limitations and accept our circumstances. In this guy's case, he did not have the facilities for this at all. Now his plans have gone so far south he's probably going to be consensually siring his fifth child with this girl "for the sake of his revenge"-- he stopped being behind the wheel after he failed to fall on train tracks. Now he's getting dragged along by this girl trying to make him happy, while he futilely wishes she'd kill herself.

sorry for butting in between your discussion, but i think it's important to point out that what you said here is true for people in normal state of mind, something the MC is clearly not in.

Expecting a presumably suicidal + major depressive disorder person to conform to standards held for Normal person is not fair and not realistic imo.

 

[Zickmation]

Are you guys complaining that the guy BULLIED to the point he wants to enact a SUICIDE plan just to get back at her is being negative towards their BULLY after she spend at most TWO DAYS actively trying to make him happy?

This guy gets it