Jimi na Kensei wa Sore Demo Saikyou desu - Vol. 10 Ch. 87

[MangaDex]

 

[Skywalker95]

lol like they could take him lol

 

[razorshaleh]

i didn't expect there to be gore, even if only little bit

thank you for translating

 

[Invisobill]

I'd rather have seen these clowns actually try and take Suiboku. That at least would be interesting.


Also, how many people are blessed by the gods on this planet? They keep popping up like gophers

 

[blablablub]

Over before it started

 

[Kurogawa]

some genius noble from other country/kingdom: "hey, lets kidnap the guy that is equal to god, can split the sea and lift a mountain for whatever reason!"

 

[Abricomas]

I think the narrator is unreliable; after all, back in Chapter 82, it said that Sansui was "struggling" against Saiga, when it was an exhibition match where Sansui was not supposed to win but to show off (and make Saiga look good because he's going to be marrying Sunae, while also showing off the power of a vassal employed by the House that Toun would be marrying into). He wasn't really struggling at all.

So I wonder if Pandora and Shun, as well as Kakejiku, could really take on Sansui and Suiboku.

Like, before, yes, I could see Pandora's power working against Suiboku because he wanted to live in order to get stronger.
But as they are now, they suppress, or lack, material desires, among which would be the desire to live.
Especially, with Shun's mention about the assassins lacking the resolve to die; Japanese swordsmanship and combat philosophy, which Suiboku's teachings are based on, make a big deal about resolving to die and winning through overcoming the fear of death. I think a fight with Suiboku or Sansui would not go as Pandora hopes it would.

No idea about Kakejiku, though. Like, she could probably use Light Step, Flash Step, and other Sage Arts, but would she be able to use the Heart of Sagacity to actually fight like Suiboku and Sansui?

 

[Abricomas]

some genius noble from other country/kingdom: "hey, lets kidnap the guy that is equal to god, can split the sea and lift a mountain for whatever reason!"

The problem is that the claims sound absolutely ridiculous, and the floating forest was sent high into the sky where it can't be seen by request of the Arcana Kingdom (due to the citizens getting antsy about a landmass floating right above their heads), so they no one has seen Suiboku in action.
There is no video recording magic (at least, none that we've seen), and so everything is either rumors or dependent on having spies witness things themselves.

This is where having too good of a counter-intelligence apparatus might backfire; if the neighboring nations couldn't get their spies in to confirm your claims about Suiboku's powers, it would all sound like bullshit North Korean propaganda about Great Leader and Dear Leader.

 

[brndndss]

love it when characters just casually reveal all their abilities and secrets to complete randos. like why lol

 

[Brobobo]

I think the narrator is unreliable; after all, back in Chapter 82, it said that Sansui was "struggling" against Saiga, when it was an exhibition match where Sansui was not supposed to win but to show off (and make Saiga look good because he's going to be marrying Sunae, while also showing off the power of a vassal employed by the House that Toun would be marrying into). He wasn't really struggling at all.

So I wonder if Pandora and Shun, as well as Kakejiku, could really take on Sansui and Suiboku.

Like, before, yes, I could see Pandora's power working against Suiboku because he wanted to live in order to get stronger.
But as they are now, they suppress, or lack, material desires, among which would be the desire to live.
Especially, with Shun's mention about the assassins lacking the resolve to die; Japanese swordsmanship and combat philosophy, which Suiboku's teachings are based on, make a big deal about resolving to die and winning through overcoming the fear of death. I think a fight with Suiboku or Sansui would not go as Pandora hopes it would.

No idea about Kakejiku, though. Like, she could probably use Light Step, Flash Step, and other Sage Arts, but would she be able to use the Heart of Sagacity to actually fight like Suiboku and Sansui?

Yeah Narrator seems to just make wild statements out of the blue lol

 

[Abricomas]

Yeah Narrator seems to just make wild statements out of the blue lol

I don't think they're just wild, random statements. I think they're just statements about what the onlookers in the story are feeling or thinking.
Like, going back to the Chapter 82 example I gave, Sansui "looked" like he was struggling (because that's what he wanted it to look like), and what the audience thought, so that's the description that the narrator gave.

So when the narrator says that Pandora with Shun, and Kakejiku, could take on Suiboku and Sansui, it's just what they think would happen, and not what would actually happen. They might be right, or get proven hilariously wrong.
After all, neither Sansui or Suiboku have invulnerable bodies, just immortal lifespans and the skill to avoid most attacks, so Reincarnators do have a chance against the Sages.

 

[klev]

I think the narrator is unreliable; after all, back in Chapter 82, it said that Sansui was "struggling" against Saiga, when it was an exhibition match where Sansui was not supposed to win but to show off (and make Saiga look good because he's going to be marrying Sunae, while also showing off the power of a vassal employed by the House that Toun would be marrying into). He wasn't really struggling at all.

So I wonder if Pandora and Shun, as well as Kakejiku, could really take on Sansui and Suiboku.

Like, before, yes, I could see Pandora's power working against Suiboku because he wanted to live in order to get stronger.
But as they are now, they suppress, or lack, material desires, among which would be the desire to live.
Especially, with Shun's mention about the assassins lacking the resolve to die; Japanese swordsmanship and combat philosophy, which Suiboku's teachings are based on, make a big deal about resolving to die and winning through overcoming the fear of death. I think a fight with Suiboku or Sansui would not go as Pandora hopes it would.

No idea about Kakejiku, though. Like, she could probably use Light Step, Flash Step, and other Sage Arts, but would she be able to use the Heart of Sagacity to actually fight like Suiboku and Sansui?

Currently, I'm confused about the novel and manga (which is going, like, ten times faster). Honestly, I agree with you that having Sansui match Saiga to make him look good in front of Majan's king makes total sense. However, Sansui's power feels nerfed, especially compared to Saiga. You have a 500-year-old sage with new toys, so you need more development to make it believable that he's struggling.

Sansui's still stronger, and the novel is way better at showing it. The problem is trying to match Saiga's power to Sansui's, like they're rivals. I would like to see an opponent for Sansui to make him struggle, or just go the comedy route and make his power more absurd in comparison.

 

[ShionVaynex]

I think the narrator is unreliable; after all, back in Chapter 82, it said that Sansui was "struggling" against Saiga, when it was an exhibition match where Sansui was not supposed to win but to show off (and make Saiga look good because he's going to be marrying Sunae, while also showing off the power of a vassal employed by the House that Toun would be marrying into). He wasn't really struggling at all.

So I wonder if Pandora and Shun, as well as Kakejiku, could really take on Sansui and Suiboku.

Like, before, yes, I could see Pandora's power working against Suiboku because he wanted to live in order to get stronger.
But as they are now, they suppress, or lack, material desires, among which would be the desire to live.
Especially, with Shun's mention about the assassins lacking the resolve to die; Japanese swordsmanship and combat philosophy, which Suiboku's teachings are based on, make a big deal about resolving to die and winning through overcoming the fear of death. I think a fight with Suiboku or Sansui would not go as Pandora hopes it would.

No idea about Kakejiku, though. Like, she could probably use Light Step, Flash Step, and other Sage Arts, but would she be able to use the Heart of Sagacity to actually fight like Suiboku and Sansui?

Pandora would have worked during suibokus god of destruction days.

But both sansui and suibokus are enlightened.
Whenever they live or die doesn't matter to them. It might work, when he is having sex/ having his worldy desired returned.


As for the girl, she have a morphic energy. Which can transform in to what ever and use it in full efficacy. But that doesn't mean she is skilled in it.
She would still need to learn everything.

The immortal arts/sage arts isn't that convenient to learn. It's basically the same sage power as in Naruto.

They are capable of absorbing nature energy. And by doing so they become one with nature and become immortal. All of the tecs are based of manipulating nature.

 

[Abricomas]

Pandora would have worked during suibokus god of destruction days.

But both sansui and suibokus are enlightened.
Whenever they live or die doesn't matter to them. It might work, when he is having sex/ having his worldy desired returned.


As for the girl, she have a morphic energy. Which can transform in to what ever and use it in full efficacy. But that doesn't mean she is skilled in it.
She would still need to learn everything.

The immortal arts/sage arts isn't that convenient to learn. It's basically the same sage power as in Naruto.

They are capable of absorbing nature energy. And by doing so they become one with nature and become immortal. All of the tecs are based of manipulating nature.

That's pretty much what I said.

And in the LN, Suiboku said he tried to weaponize the Sage Arts (stuff like weather manipulation and geokinesis), but found that they're usually too slow and that a quick slash from his sword is just as effective and faster.
The Energy Wave techniques might work, but the problem for Kakejiku is that you need experience to know how to creatively apply the techniques to real combat, and have the trained mentality to be able to know when to apply them. They're not something you can spam like regular sorcery or the Berserker Art.

 

[IMACOP]

So Pandora makes everyone near kill themselves... then isn't the whole armor look and combination completely pointless?

 

[Strowy]

love it when characters just casually reveal all their abilities and secrets to complete randos. like why lol

An actual reason in this case; as mentioned, curse sorcery - "I've told you my secret, tell me yours" to extract information out of them. Not like they're likely to live long enough to tell anyone else about it.

 

[TheGreatALBundy]

Wait that's how pandora works? What a genuinely fucked up suit of armor and premise. Yeesh lol

 

[UncannyLuck]

An actual reason in this case; as mentioned, curse sorcery - "I've told you my secret, tell me yours" to extract information out of them. Not like they're likely to live long enough to tell anyone else about it.

Honestly fun premise.

 

[Grikath]

So Pandora makes everyone near kill themselves... then isn't the whole armor look and combination completely pointless?

You expect there being a point to this powertrip chuuni rag running on asspulls and exposition-no-jutsu?

It's pure Trashekai™... There is no point.... 😋🤣

 

[vermillion]

So Pandora makes everyone near kill themselves... then isn't the whole armor look and combination completely pointless?

I think the idea is that Pandora's armor protects the user from killing themselves, since it would also target whoever wears her.