Ka「」Ku「」Shi「」Go「」To「 - Vol. 3 Ch. 18
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You seem to lack a basic understanding of human connections. A relationship is never only about 2 people. How outsiders view the relationship is a very real part of said relationship. Humans, at their very core, are pack animals. We concern ourselves with how others are affected by our actions. Unless one lacks something, that is completely normal.
The fact of the matter is, Para feels like she wronged them. She herself has decided, that she did infact wrong someone "unrelated". Who are you to deny her that feeling? She may be a fictional character, but who are you to decides what a person has the right to feel or not? This was never about how the other party feels; Para feels she wronged someone, so she did. In trying to defend her, you actually just denied her own thoughts and feelings.
I also take issue with your thoughts on justified or unjustified feelings. A person has the right to feel how they feel about whatever the fuck they feel about. If I see you on a date with someone and that makes me feel whatever, I am completely within my rights and justified in feeling that. I may be unrelated to you or your date, but I can still feel however the fuck I want about it. You, or anyone else for that matter, have absolutely zero say in the matter. What I feel is right and justified, regardless. What I may do about it is not, but what I feel is.
You seem to lack a basic understanding of human connections. A relationship is never only about 2 people. How outsiders view the relationship is a very real part of said relationship. Humans, at their very core, are pack animals. We concern ourselves with how others are affected by our actions. Unless one lacks something, that is completely normal.
The fact of the matter is, Para feels like she wronged them. She herself has decided, that she did infact wrong someone "unrelated". Who are you to deny her that feeling? She may be a fictional character, but who are you to decides what a person has the right to feel or not? This was never about how the other party feels; Para feels she wronged someone, so she did. In trying to defend her, you actually just denied her own thoughts and feelings.
I also take issue with your thoughts on justified or unjustified feelings. A person has the right to feel how they feel about whatever the fuck they feel about. If I see you on a date with someone and that makes me feel whatever, I am completely within my rights and justified in feeling that. I may be unrelated to you or your date, but I can still feel however the fuck I want about it. You, or anyone else for that matter, have absolutely zero say in the matter. What I feel is right and justified, regardless. What I may do about it is not, but what I feel is.
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"Your feelings are valid" does not necessarily mean "your reaction is a proportionate response to what just happened."
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@deathmailrock "Yes, but littering is an actual wrong." Again, you are putting the cart before the horse. Para's acting is also wrong. It makes someone (Zuka) annoyed, and it makes misunderstandings in the community. If you say that Para's acting is only between two people, then I can say littering is only between two people - the littering person and the person who cleans up.
"But for outsiders to be hurt between something that's happening between 2 people in their relationship is another matter entirely." Again, you're just emptily asserting that it's between two people. You haven't actually given a reason why it's just between two people.
"So what if they misunderstand? She's an outsider." At the end of the day, Para KNEW she was causing misunderstandings, and she KNEW those misunderstandings would likely hurt someone. It's the same as leaving your banana peel on the ground and knowing it would likely hurt someone. Para knew this, and yet she still continued. This is an indisputable fact. That is why the girl who confessed is NOT an outsider. That is why she is an insider. Because Para knew her actions would likely injure someone else, and they actually did injure someone.
"But for outsiders to be hurt between something that's happening between 2 people in their relationship is another matter entirely." Again, you're just emptily asserting that it's between two people. You haven't actually given a reason why it's just between two people.
"So what if they misunderstand? She's an outsider." At the end of the day, Para KNEW she was causing misunderstandings, and she KNEW those misunderstandings would likely hurt someone. It's the same as leaving your banana peel on the ground and knowing it would likely hurt someone. Para knew this, and yet she still continued. This is an indisputable fact. That is why the girl who confessed is NOT an outsider. That is why she is an insider. Because Para knew her actions would likely injure someone else, and they actually did injure someone.
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@comeonnow Littering ruins the scenery and hurts the environment we all share. If you litter in your own house, that is different than littering in public. But relationship things are different.
If you get sad or jealous because of someone else's relationship then that's 100% your problem. If she was the dude's boyfriend, that'd be one thing... but she isn't...
Just because she has feelings for the dude doesn't mean she's a part of it. She's an outsider in their relationship....
I mean, let's using dating as an example. If you date someone popular, you are going to hurt others because they couldn't get it.
How is she a part of the relationship between the 2 of them??? Just because she has feelings for the dude? That's not a reason to say that she's a part of it, because in the end, anyone could be hurt by anything. So should we stop trying to talk to people? If someone asks me to stop talking to my wife because it bothers them cause they find her attractive, is it wrong for me to talk to my wife?
Is a celebrity not allowed to have a relationship because many fans would be jealous and sad that they aren't the ones with the celebrity?
In the end, the feelings from being hurt are her own problems. She doesn't have the right to get in the way of the relationship between this girl and her "prince"...
Just because someone is unhappy with your actions doesn't make it inherently wrong...
See, she's not a part of it. If she is explain. And don't use things like "because she cares" or any other emotional response.
Being bothered cannot be a reason because people can be bothered for many reasons and not all of them are reasonable.
If you get sad or jealous because of someone else's relationship then that's 100% your problem. If she was the dude's boyfriend, that'd be one thing... but she isn't...
Just because she has feelings for the dude doesn't mean she's a part of it. She's an outsider in their relationship....
I mean, let's using dating as an example. If you date someone popular, you are going to hurt others because they couldn't get it.
How is she a part of the relationship between the 2 of them??? Just because she has feelings for the dude? That's not a reason to say that she's a part of it, because in the end, anyone could be hurt by anything. So should we stop trying to talk to people? If someone asks me to stop talking to my wife because it bothers them cause they find her attractive, is it wrong for me to talk to my wife?
Is a celebrity not allowed to have a relationship because many fans would be jealous and sad that they aren't the ones with the celebrity?
In the end, the feelings from being hurt are her own problems. She doesn't have the right to get in the way of the relationship between this girl and her "prince"...
Just because someone is unhappy with your actions doesn't make it inherently wrong...
See, she's not a part of it. If she is explain. And don't use things like "because she cares" or any other emotional response.
Being bothered cannot be a reason because people can be bothered for many reasons and not all of them are reasonable.
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@deathmailrock Again, you are literally ignoring all of what I wrote about Para. You are literally ignoring the things that Para knew she was causing. Not once in your entire most recent post have you written anything about what Para did. And remember, this whole thing is about whether Para did anything wrong.
You're ignoring what Para knew, what Para expected, and what Para was told.
You're ignoring what Para knew, what Para expected, and what Para was told.
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@comeonnow So what if she knew it would hurt her? In the end, the only way to stop her pain was to end her relationship with her prince... and that's not a fair condition...
If a person would be miserable just because you are a relationship with someone, unless if that person has a significant relation with you (lover or family), then you aren't at fault. If people misunderstand, that's THEIR problem. She doesn't have to end her relationship just because of them. Even if she knows that it causes other people pain, that pain they feel isn't fair towards her. It's not a justified pain.
If a person would be miserable just because you are a relationship with someone, unless if that person has a significant relation with you (lover or family), then you aren't at fault. If people misunderstand, that's THEIR problem. She doesn't have to end her relationship just because of them. Even if she knows that it causes other people pain, that pain they feel isn't fair towards her. It's not a justified pain.
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Para doesn't have a relationship with Zuka, she herself thinks it's fake.
Para doesn't have a relationship with Zuka, she herself thinks it's fake.
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No, she literally doesn't consider him anything at all. She's just running interference for Miki.
No, she literally doesn't consider him anything at all. She's just running interference for Miki.
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@deathmailrock To add on to what cor3zone said, by that logic, you're just trying to justify Para's selfishness. You keep saying that if the hair clip girl were Zuka's girlfriend, then it would be okay for her to get upset. What's Para's relationship with Zuka? What justifies Para doing all of these things even though Zuka himself asked her to stop? You even say that their relationship is one where Para calls Zuka prince and Zuka gets annoyed. You even say that it's not a good relationship.
So it's not okay for the hair clip girl to get upset, but it's okay for Para to continue to do these things even though it very clearly causes unnecessary suffering for other people and, honestly, causes suffering for Para herself?
Like, I can somewhat understand why you are criticizing the hair clip girl. I disagree, but I can understand your reasoning. However, the part I don't understand is why you don't ALSO criticize Para. Your first post was that Para did nothing wrong. By your own standards, you should ALSO criticize Para.
So it's not okay for the hair clip girl to get upset, but it's okay for Para to continue to do these things even though it very clearly causes unnecessary suffering for other people and, honestly, causes suffering for Para herself?
Like, I can somewhat understand why you are criticizing the hair clip girl. I disagree, but I can understand your reasoning. However, the part I don't understand is why you don't ALSO criticize Para. Your first post was that Para did nothing wrong. By your own standards, you should ALSO criticize Para.
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@comeonnow I already admitted that what she did to Zuka HIMSELF was wrong... I'm talking about the other girl feeling bad or being angry at her...
I never said she was free of guilt... just that ONLY ZUKA was the real victim and only HE can justifiably be angry...
Note the difference? Our argument wasn't about whether she wronged Zuka, but if she wronged others... and I'm saying she didn't... there is a clear difference.
I never said she was free of guilt... just that ONLY ZUKA was the real victim and only HE can justifiably be angry...
Note the difference? Our argument wasn't about whether she wronged Zuka, but if she wronged others... and I'm saying she didn't... there is a clear difference.
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