KAKAO 79% - Ch. 162 - Uninvited Guests (3)

[Yautja]

@superdoofus
Well that's ironic, where did I imply successful means no drama? No where. Literally no where did I imply that, and @woks specified the exact opposite. You're the one inferring things not being said or implied and yet again, failing to see how what you're saying isn't a reply to what I've said and doesn't defend your statement. I'm addressing what you've said a face value. You do not know the definitions of the words you're using if you're using to describe the series I listed.

What's incredibly petty is your willing inability to see your blatant lies, fallacies and unproven claims and yet pretending I'm the one being 'offensive' or am 'attacking you'. If anything is insulting it's your ridiculous insults to my intelligence by means of your ridiculous replies full of the previously mentioned lies and fallacies.

 

[superdoofus]

@Yautja We're both talking past each other at this point. I define "successful romance" as "dramaless romance" i.e. the couple is so successful that they don't have conflicts with each other which is where both the success and by extension the boring factor of the couple comes from. Ergo, a couple which is absolutely successful cannot sell because it would merely be a boring tirade of the couple just loving each other, and that sort of series cannot hold water. After all, most drama in romantic love series comes from things that attempt to break the couple apart (be it external forces or even the couple themselves). And for your information, I can't understand why you take the word "dysfunctional" to have such a negative connotation; I'm not talking about an abusive relationship (which coincidentally could be alluded to in many romance manga). A quirky dysfunctional couple may have a rocky relationship, so I'd factor that into a couple that could keep a series interesting. You have a weird tendency to lord your mastery of the English language without actually taking context into account; it's irritating, but I guess that's just how you work.

Horimiya is a rather quirky and dysfunctional couple; Hori's fetish is overly aggressive interaction (to put it mildly). Ojojojo is about a haughty rich girl who has no chill and an actual assassin who has an inner struggle with himself, a constant nag on their relationship (evident by the latest arc). Heck, Yandere Kanojo's final arc involves the main character overcoming his own drama with his own family because that drama was bleeding over into his relationship with his girlfriend. I'll state it again: any successful romance series has a very precarious relationship attached to it, or ends before the relationship is consolidated in such a way that the couple desires it to be (for example, Fujiyama-san wa Shishunki involves a couple whose final step was just outright coming out and being recognized instead of hiding their relationship on the side; it's a very petty sort of drama, but I'll leave this option on the table if you're either interested in reading more cute romance series or if you just want to start pestering me with actual evidence of a relationship with a series with very little actual drama in it).

And answer my responses, will you? Throwing a huff and saying you're better than me isn't solving your conflict with my opinions or your own mood.

 

[Yautja]

@superdoofus

I define "successful romance" as "dramaless romance"

Then you just proved that you don't know the definitions of the words you're using. Or you're just using a common fallacy referred to as moving the goal posts. Guess comedy is boring. So is mystery. And historical. And fantasy. And supernatural. And action. To state that no drama = boring is such a god damn stupid and unthoughtout comment.

a couple which is absolutely successful cannot sell because it would merely be a boring tirade of the couple just loving each other, and that sort of series cannot hold water.

Yet again you lie and pass opinions and general statements as fact. The series I listed expressly disprove that. You also have failed to prove that "dramaless" or successful is boring, not for you, but for everyone in general. Something which you cannot prove because it's simply not true.

I can't understand why you take the word "dysfunctional" to have such a negative connotation

dysfunctional - adjective
deviating from the norms of social behavior in a way regarded as bad.
characterized by abnormal or unhealthy interpersonal behavior or interaction
Because you clearly don't know the definition of the word, it's a word with an inherently negative connotation, especially when related to human relationships. Just google "Dysfunctional relationship define" and see how wrong you are.

Horimiya is a rather quirky and dysfunctional couple

Anyone who's read Horimiya knows how stupid that statement is and just how much that word does not apply. You yet again prove you do not know the definitions of the words you're using. And even if that were true, it proves your statement how? Surprise, it doesn't.

Ojojojo is about a haughty rich girl who has no chill and an actual assassin who has an inner struggle with himself, a constant nag on their relationship (evident by the latest arc)

And even if that were true, it proves your statement how? Surprise, it doesn't.

any successful romance series has a very precarious relationship attached to it

And where's any proof for that ridiculously untrue statement? Literally no where. You just keep coming up with ridiculous, unsubstantiated lies.

And answer my responses, will you? Throwing a huff and saying you're better than me isn't solving your conflict with my opinions or your own mood.

Coming from the guy that just ignores my comments. How many times have I nailed in the point that nothing you've said is cause to label a series boring or successful as boring. And I said I was better than you where? No where. Yet again you lie.

You are so ridiculously delusional.

 

[superdoofus]

@Yautja Even if you're gonna outright list everything out like that, that kind of format's just a pain so I'll just skim over it real quick.

You seem to be misunderstanding something. A drama-free relationship is successful, and nobody wants to read that. A relationship that is successful and has conflicts strewn around it is fine, but there are very few series that actually revolve around that premise; Hinomaru Zumou comes to mind when it comes to this sort of premise, but even that is only a relationship in its infancy, and the series doesn't even revolve around it!

From my point of view, dysfunctional means "not operating normally or properly" taken from Google. Such impact from your own preconceptions of a word that I don't share myself, but you're very intent at dramatizing everything in this conversation with your own views, so I'm in the wrong here for spurring that up; I'm sorry for not clarifying my take on the word. With that said, I do not believe that either Horimiya or Ojojojo are very conventional relationships as their relationships revolve around the very unconventional (and even dysfunctional, read as very abnormal operations).

As far as proof for "precarious relationships," we can come back to Ojojojo where the main character is literally exiting his relationship as of the newest chapter. Or, we could take a look at another series like Sekitou Elegy where the couple, after moving in with each other, are having trouble communicating due to a very awkward job the main character has landed which fortunately may be resolving itself soon, but I'm sure something else will come up between them to keep interest up.

On the other hand, Tsuru Tsuru to Zara Zara no Aida comes to mind when it comes to successful relationships, where it kinda forces itself to focus on other couplings to avoid overextending the main couple's relationship and making their interactions monotonous. It, too, has ended before the couple grows too stale. I'm not against ending series before they become bland; I prefer that over some inane drama attempting to break the couple up every arc such as what we're seeing currently in KAKAO.

I'm being bitter and admittedly stubborn about something I'm sure you have more of a bid on than I do, sure. But delusional (taken from Google as to dispel any sort of misunderstandings from our local dictionary here, characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder), I'm not so sure. My main point is that you cannot have a series about a successful romance without it either getting cut off before devolving into something boring, or becoming a drama-fest that questions whether the couple was actually successful in the first place. Spouting superiority (that you'd like to see how I'd handle you if you were actually trying to intimidate me among other ad hominem in some bizarre attempt to stir me over the internet) in these matters just comes off as incredibly petty. You're free to make another list going over my points, but don't waive my points away or misconstrue what I'm saying.

 

[Yautja]

@superdoofus

A drama-free relationship is successful and nobody wants to read that. A relationship that is successful and has conflicts strewn around it is fine

Let me stop you right there. That's another lie. It's also a fallacy. It's also an unsubstantiated claim. Successful romance is not always devoid of drama. You literally just acknowledged that and compromised your own definition. You're also trying to make your opinion a fact and definition, something which it clearly is not.

From my point of view, dysfunctional means "not operating normally or properly"

From your point of view. Google dysfunctional relationships. A dysfunctional machine is hardly something comparable to a dysfunctional relationship. And a dysfunctional machine is also inherently negative. Dysfunctional. Does not operate. Not good. Tell me, how would something not operating be good? There's no situation I can think of where dysfunctional would be anything but bad, let alone good or neutral. And a dysfunctional relationship is hardly something as benign as you're trying to make it out to be to vindicate your absolutely untrue claims. More proof that you do not know the definitions of the words you're using.

As far as proof for "precarious relationships,"

Again, let me stop you right there. That's not concurrent to what you said. Or an answer to what I said. You said "any successful romance series has a very precarious relationship attached to it". I asked for proof. You just keep fucking lying, don't you? Successful romances are not dependent on precarious romance. There are thousands of romances to contradict that. Some of which I listed.

idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument

My main point is that you cannot have a series about a successful romance without it either getting cut off before devolving into something boring

Yes, exactly. Delusional.

Spouting superiority (that you'd like to see how I'd handle you if you were actually trying to intimidate me among other ad hominem in some bizarre attempt to stir me over the internet) in these matters just comes off as incredibly petty

How about you point to where I said or implied that I was superior, tried to intimidate you, or committed an Ad Hominem? Another word you've already misused as an Ad Hominem is an unrelated attack of character. You not knowing the definitions to words, lying, making stupid claims or statements, are not ad hominems. They are entirely relevant. Like I said, fuckin' delusional.

don't waive my points away or misconstrue what I'm saying.

How about you point to where I said or did that? I know I could do so to you. Though, I've already done it.

@FredFriendly

5.1.2 It is preferred that you take any (extended) disagreements into a private conversation.

 

[Yamibi]

@Yautja
@superdoofus

That's a nice and civil discussion you have there fellas if would be a shame if some troll stepped in.

Spoiler

(i mean troll face from one of you)

 

[FredFriendly]

@Yautja
@superdoofus

It would be nice if you two would observe mangadex rules:

5. Comments and Forums
5.1 Be Civil
5.1.1 Disagreeing with an opinion is totally fine. All we ask is that you keep to the topic at hand and refrain from resorting to personal attacks on other involved parties. To that end, please avoid racist, sexist, and religious discrimination or other terminology where the intended outcome is to be offensive.
5.1.2 It is preferred that you take any (extended) disagreements into a private conversation.

 

[superdoofus]

@FredFriendly Sorry about that.

 

[Princess]

Aww, please update soon!?