Kami eshi JK to OL fujoshi

[princess_daphie]

@zikade @Cazcy doumo!

@Daeat (And the others talking about the legality of it all.) It is indeed very different from one place to the other, but it usually hovers around 16~18yo, the age of consent that is. In Japan, I think most prefectures set it to 18, but it's very specific to sexual acts. Just hanging out with someone you like isn't the same thing. Also, I think you're right, it seems it's 16yo in Canada (except when there is a situation of authority). Before the reform in 2006 I think, it was 14 with some reservations.

Also, personally, I see a HUGE difference between a predatory situation, i.e. an adult looking for underage kids to have dirty relationships with, versus two people meeting and liking each other for whatever reason and being respectful of each other and each other's relative situation in life, with the age difference coming later in the chain of decision and being a pickle, but you're like, why break things off, it would be too bad, JUST because we're of different age.

I would call the adult in the former situation a pedophile. In the case of Misumi x Ai, I say it's the latter of the two, and I don't see anything pedo-related in this story.

 

[jellymouse]

I'm pretty sure, in the case of canada, there's a requirement of a certain age gap for 16, and it's otherwise 18.

As for whether or not it's paedo with the age combination, it depends on a few things, the biggest of which is how you define child; in the legal context, it's the "legal age of majority", or legal age of consent, but it's really supposed to refer to pre-puberty, which is where the disgust actually stems from. The modern obsession with "THA WORD OF THA LAW" is actually pretty fuct on it's own, and makes the assumption that people suddenly become mature, experienced adults at the age of eighteen, when the reality is that it's actually common to not even be independent at this age anymore, specifically because of the culture around coddling children until they're suddenly no longer legally considered children.
It's a cultural problem in the north-americas, and while I do think the legal age of consent being high is a sensible thing, and should apply to large age gap relationships, it's also something that should be handled legally on a case-by-case basis, and personally as a universal rule of preempting potentially unhealthy relationships.

In the case of the americas, however, you can actually be tried and charged as a child predator for sexual exploitation of yourself at a younger age. Let that sink in. Nobody should be preying on children, but there's such a thing as too far in the other direction, especially when it leads to a more hostile culture for those children.


To the manga, though, I think the creepiest part was where they keep bringing up what kind of relationship it is supposed to be and how it's illegal. Creepier even than the "jk meets internet stalker and happily ever after" plot, but I suspect that will be 'resolved' with some drama at the finish. But, why can the adult of the situation not sit down and explain to this child the situation this puts them both in like a sensible adult? Is the main theme of the story supposed to be how inept this person is? I get it's a romcom trope, but it's also creepy in this context, and trying to play it off for comedy is really the lowest part of the read here. I might drop this if they can't figure that out, because it got old in volume 1, and it's just grating in volume 2.

 

[lonelypotatoonabench]

sry

 

[princess_daphie]

@lonelypotatoonabench totally so! this is the cutest yuri ever!

 

[ZayB]

I'm sure it's great but I just came here for some GL, I don't want to read all this. There's way too much talking. I'm too lazy to read all this..

 

[lonelypotatoonabench]

sry

 

[Aceisanegg]

@lonelypotatoonabench

You good dog?

 

[princess_daphie]

@lonelypotatoonabench uhmmm... now that's weird. I even had to google urban dictionary to learn that word. thanks... not really though... yours truly yuri translator girl is very vanilla and softcore in nature...!

 

[princess_daphie]

@ZayB it's not very shoujo-ai, it's more of an age-gap drama (but on the fluffy side so far) with two girls who happen to be fujoshi, so lots of BL talk, lol. imagine the work i need to put on to translate this, lol

 

[lonelypotatoonabench]

@princess_daphie @Aceisanegg Ahh i see, shit sorry guys I'm like a complete degenerate so hmmm, basically when i read manga or "erotic manga" I don't care about morals or irl laws, ah idk how to explain, basically I'm not supposed to be here lmao sorry for making you guys feel uncomfortable

 

[Aceisanegg]

@lonelypotatoonabench

I mean what you like it fine buuuuuttttt I feel like you should keep some morals even if its a little....y'know so you don't get into some trouble?

 

[lonelypotatoonabench]

@Aceisanegg Ah dude to spare myself explaining this and that, the big difference in our perspectives is that i see a drawing, and you see it as a crime, that's all Ofc i have IRL morals like im not gonna rape someone on the street or anything, just when it comes to manga or hentai, I couldn't care less about what's in front of me, only huge exceptions would be NTR, Ugly bastard, cuckhold, and hmm ah gangbangs. (well i ended up explaining myself anyways)

 

[ZayB]

@princess_daphie lol. Whether I'm actually capable of reading all this or not. Huge respect to you for doing all this.

 

[Melopahn]

If the mentality of Misumi is a real mentality in Japan... it makes sense why they are so scared for the future of their society and indicating their population is going to be 50% of its current size in 20 years. Seriously a WTF moment.

 

[tristan9]

that... wasn’t very positive 😭

 

[MasterMuffinz]

I'm willing to bet she'll describe misumi

 

[voidox]

two people meeting and liking each other for whatever reason and being respectful of each other and each other's relative situation in life, with the age difference coming later in the chain of decision and being a pickle, but you're like, why break things off, it would be too bad, JUST because we're of different age.

um no, maybe in fantasy land you can try and say that (or if you mean two adults), but in the real world the very first question on an adult's mind, if they ever find themselves in a personal situation involving a young person, should be age. That would be the adult respecting the kid, as the responsibility and maturity is on the adult

Straight up ask the kid "how old are you", and if they are younger than 18, get out right then and there. Saying "it would be too bad" is so wrong, cause it would be freaking bad if the kid is underage as age alone IS a strong reason to break things off. It's not "just a pickle" if the kid is under 18

A normal adult should NEVER be involved with an underage teen, end of story.

Why? cause in almost all those situations, an adult engaging in such a relationship is doing so for a bad reason (cause there is no reason at all why an adult should ever need to date an underage kid, adults should date adults) and/or putting the kid in an unfair, bad or unhealthy position. This includes things like power imbalance, stress/pressure on the teen, huge difference in life/romantic experience (or lack thereof for many kids), maturity (not just physical, but emotional and mental), teen's still growing mentally, morals/ethics and so on.

Spoiler

Like I said, the simple fact of an adult having an interest in an underage kid raises so many questions on it's own, cause there is no reason for an adult to need to date an underage kid. None at all. You can wait till they are older and not engage in the mess that is involving yourself with underage kids.

Now the worst case is an adult preying on a child, as you said, but there are so many cases of more subtle influences on underage kids, e.g. how predators groom their targets under the guise of "I'm just a nice adult" or indirect manipulation of a kid's emotions in face of someone much older to even just unconscious biases, pressure, stress on the child in the face of being involved with someone much older/more experienced than them.

Also, being under the age of consent means the kid CANNOT give consent to doing anything with the adult, that's the point of the law. So even the adult asking "wanna date me when your are 18" is wrong cause the kid cannot give consent to that. Then comes all the moral and ethical issues with such situations, that I hope I don't need to go into.

Furthermore, there are many studies that show underage kids are still growing/developing and how that affects their judgement and decisions. This is a HUGE reason as to why underage kids should not date adults, cause while they might be physically mature, they are no where mentally mature cause they are STILL growing:

https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2017/11/20/16677180/age-consent-teenage-psychology-law-roy-moore

I can link to so many related articles/papers on this topic, and why we have laws to protect underage kids from adults.

Ask yourself this:

would you really be fine if you had a child/sibling/even just a friend who is under 18 being involved with an adult? especially one who is much older than them? What person would be cool seeing an underage kid going on... dates, or hanging out with an older person?

you saying "it's fine if they are respectful and like each other" shows how ill-informed or, I guess, incredibly naïve you are on why adults should NEVER date or be involved with underage kids. Like I said above, the adult actually being respectful in this situation would be them not involving themselves with underage kids.

 

[Kabeidon]

@lonelypotatoonabench
Stfu proud cuck

 

[lonelypotatoonabench]

@Kabeidon ? Hmm I'm no cuck but if thats what you think go for it

 

[princess_daphie]

@voidox enjoy chapter 14! you'll certainly be pleased by the turn of events 😆

Spoiler

Ai-san's inner sidekick makes her initiate a kiss 😅