Kamikakushi no Eden - Vol. 6 Ch. 21 - What Was Passed Down
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Sus. Totally sus. What kinda kys proposal was that?
The Afterwords title is clearly a reference to Oregairu.
Oregairu original title:
やはり俺の青春ラブコメは間違っている
(Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru)
“My youth romantic comedy is wrong, as I expected”.
Afterwords title:
やはり俺の水着選びは間違っている
(Yahari Ore no Mizugi Erabi wa Machigatteiru)
“My swimsuit choice is wrong, as I expected”.
The structure is identical.
Sahara Gensei actually confirmed on Twitter when I asked that all of the afterword titles are references to light novels. I’ve managed to catch a few of them, but not all.
Chapter 11:
君は友達が少ない -> 僕は友達が少ない
“You don’t have many friends” -> “I don’t have many friends.”
Reference to "Haganai".
Chapter 3 (not so sure about this one):
思春期〇候群 (Shishunki 〇 Kougun)
Adolescent 〇 syndrome.
Likely referencing 青春ブタ野郎 (Seishun Buta Yarou).
The original uses ブタ野郎 (“pig bastard”), which is sometimes censored as 〇野郎.
Here, they seem to be playing with 症候群 (“syndrome”), censoring the first kanji as 〇候群.
思春期 and 青春 are synonyms.
And these are the ones I still don’t understand:
Chapter 7: ムシランダム (Mushi Random)
Random Bugs.
Chapter 15: 月のインスロール (Tsuki no Insurōru)
Moon's Charm. (I'm not even sure about my TL)
Chapter 20: しづくロスト (Shizuku Lost)
Oregairu original title:
やはり俺の青春ラブコメは間違っている
(Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru)
“My youth romantic comedy is wrong, as I expected”.
Afterwords title:
やはり俺の水着選びは間違っている
(Yahari Ore no Mizugi Erabi wa Machigatteiru)
“My swimsuit choice is wrong, as I expected”.
The structure is identical.
Sahara Gensei actually confirmed on Twitter when I asked that all of the afterword titles are references to light novels. I’ve managed to catch a few of them, but not all.
Chapter 11:
君は友達が少ない -> 僕は友達が少ない
“You don’t have many friends” -> “I don’t have many friends.”
Reference to "Haganai".
Chapter 3 (not so sure about this one):
思春期〇候群 (Shishunki 〇 Kougun)
Adolescent 〇 syndrome.
Likely referencing 青春ブタ野郎 (Seishun Buta Yarou).
The original uses ブタ野郎 (“pig bastard”), which is sometimes censored as 〇野郎.
Here, they seem to be playing with 症候群 (“syndrome”), censoring the first kanji as 〇候群.
思春期 and 青春 are synonyms.
And these are the ones I still don’t understand:
Chapter 7: ムシランダム (Mushi Random)
Random Bugs.
Chapter 15: 月のインスロール (Tsuki no Insurōru)
Moon's Charm. (I'm not even sure about my TL)
Chapter 20: しづくロスト (Shizuku Lost)
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I actually wonder if Senjuro will be an untrustworthy antagonist, though - and if he is, what will become of this girl who "owes a huge debt" to that man, should she learn the truth about him actually having bad intentions/aims.
The Gap being a place you can exploit to literally erase people "in your way" means that anyone who can monopolize it could do whatever they want and gain control of whatever they wish in the world, provided they can get their target eaten.
The fact she's as in the dark about whatever he's about as everyone else, but still trusts him blindly, feels like a narrative setup for her to be betrayed in the worst way at the worst time.
There's every chance he's actually got pure intentions and everything she's told our heroine here is ultimately the truth - but even so, I definitely think "declining" this offer was the correct call, because....who the fuck would acquiesce to being erased on the off-chance they could maybe come back?
But Sejuro just "being the bad guy" feels....I dunno, maybe conventional/expected? That's not to say it has to be a fake-out, or that the story gets worse by being predictable. But it almost feels like it's meant to be misdirection. Especially with the Snake Girl in the mix; sorta feels like multiple parties striving for different ends, but maybe none of them are "antagonists", but are trying to achieve something in conflicting ways based on differing perspectives/ideologies that see them all coming to blows, as a result.
Which I think is also compelling. "not-bad" people fighting one another can make for good tense narration just as much as a more conventional "good vs evil" motif, so.
Also I wonder if this means that Sejuro's the one who Erased the sister. The girl here doesn't know, but that's not the same thing as confirming it didn't happen. Which would mean Hinata, should he find out, would probably abandon his quest with the two in "destroying the Gap" in favor of trying to erase(read: murder) Senjuro instead.
The Gap being a place you can exploit to literally erase people "in your way" means that anyone who can monopolize it could do whatever they want and gain control of whatever they wish in the world, provided they can get their target eaten.
The fact she's as in the dark about whatever he's about as everyone else, but still trusts him blindly, feels like a narrative setup for her to be betrayed in the worst way at the worst time.
There's every chance he's actually got pure intentions and everything she's told our heroine here is ultimately the truth - but even so, I definitely think "declining" this offer was the correct call, because....who the fuck would acquiesce to being erased on the off-chance they could maybe come back?
But Sejuro just "being the bad guy" feels....I dunno, maybe conventional/expected? That's not to say it has to be a fake-out, or that the story gets worse by being predictable. But it almost feels like it's meant to be misdirection. Especially with the Snake Girl in the mix; sorta feels like multiple parties striving for different ends, but maybe none of them are "antagonists", but are trying to achieve something in conflicting ways based on differing perspectives/ideologies that see them all coming to blows, as a result.
Which I think is also compelling. "not-bad" people fighting one another can make for good tense narration just as much as a more conventional "good vs evil" motif, so.
Also I wonder if this means that Sejuro's the one who Erased the sister. The girl here doesn't know, but that's not the same thing as confirming it didn't happen. Which would mean Hinata, should he find out, would probably abandon his quest with the two in "destroying the Gap" in favor of trying to erase(read: murder) Senjuro instead.
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Mushi Random is probably a reference to Kokoro Connect; almost all of the volumes are subtitled "[something] Random".
No idea for Tsuki no Insurōru
Shizuku Lost might be a reference to the chapter "Sodachi Lost" from Owarimonogatari? Though it's possible that is itself a reference to something else.
My issue is the girl that senjuro is with thinks that they are the same. When one is a extreme and another is just breaching the boundaries of okay. If they want to to fix the same issue why is the story hell-bent on masking more mysteries when we don't even get many awnsers? Atp i expect a huge awnser bomb which will just feel overwhelming to a point where it doesn't pay off.
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I've made my own criticisms on previous chapter posts about the lack of real, concrete answers - so I'm just resigned to following along and seeing what comes of all of this, so I get what you mean about being so in the dark with mounting questions and nothing really explained as "an objective truth".
I'm just trying to be as charitable as possible about potential avenues for the plot based on what we're being told - but if Sejuro ends up being an actual bad guy and this girl's being duped into helping him and will be betrayed or something --
well, she's another "sexy-design female character" for Hinata to Get Lewd With if(when) she gets betrayed and comes over to their side (or something).
So the guy's entire argument is without proof, I want to sacrifice at least 6 girls to possibly destroy something that most people don't know exist and that has almost no way of hurting people since you need to be almost satisfied to get in. And then maybe I'm trustworthy enough, because I'm an older man taking advantage of high schoolers while not telling them anything about where my idea comes from or my goal other than my possible goal that makes me sound good, that my thought that they won't stay dead becomes true. I don't believe the guy is sacrificing anything and is just pretending, his goal is more likely to destroy the gap so everything is released for him to control
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"Could you please get erased so I can make things easier for the scumbag I feel indebted to? You'll get back, trust me, we don't have proof but we arext9tally trustworthy people who'll never lie. Wait, why are you refusing? Wasn't I convincing enough?"
"Yes, it isn't enough to trust you Just because it make anything as if "nothing happening". That itself isn't enough to proof it. So my answer is HELL FUCKING NO!"
Beside where is the proof of what he said? That is right, NOTHING. Only Shiari's mother's notes show the proof. So... where did he found the infomation of "another way to destroy the gap" from?
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Makes me think of Persona 4 and throwing people into televisions.
I don't like self-righteous characters who think they are too above to explain themselves, like in "Bravely default" or "Kingdom hearts" (I still remember that dumb "one who knows nothing can understand nothing" when Sora tells [Ansem?] he is going to learn what's out there).
I hope the author can reel it back in soon, complicated doesn't always equal complex nor detailed nor good.
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