Kaminaki Sekai no Kamisama Katsudou - Vol. 3 Ch. 17 - The story of it's time to get serious in another world

[MangaDex]

 

[asdftoger]

First!

 

[scrabble]

We have finally caught up to the anime. Thank you so much for the hard work!

 

[Ochrolv]

Nice another chapter of this wonderful manga. I don’t recall that grunt enjoying the dildo getting shoved in his ass in the anime but it’s still a funny scene. Thanks for the translations.

 

[Bados_Ladyte]

Thanks for the translation.

About Touka's name: Thank to the author's tweet I figured out that Touka (トーカ) is derived from the Kan-on reading of the kami of foxes Inari (稲荷 - とうか - tōka). Dakini is closely associated with Inari, often identified as the same deity due to syncretism (both are associated with foxes and dragon-fox/gleaming-fox (shinko)). This is possibly also the reason Dakini's... combat form I guess, is a fox girl. This is most likely derived from the concept of Sankoshin (Three-fox God) which in our case can be interpreted as Dakini (the Archon) is the human fox aspect of the deity (which reinforces the idea that Archons are "humans").
Dakini didn't just syncretize with Inari but also Amaterasu, due to the Shingon enthronement ritual of the emperor of Japan (Dakini entered Japan through Shingon school of Buddhism, and Amaterasu is the ancestor of the imperial lineage), and this rite is performed by Fujiwara regents to the new emperor. The myth about how the mantra of Dakini was taught to the Fujiwara clan is very likely a source of inspiration for Dakini's backstory, where the ancestor of Fujiwara clan was kidnapped as a child by a shinko (Amaterasu/Dakini) and was then taught the ritual (the shinko might or might not have also awakened him sexually) and given a scythe. That myth also explains why Dakini has a scythe as a weapon, while she riding a skull is a reference back to the Skull Ritual. The shape of the blade of the scythe is based on the Om symbol, which is probably called back to her origin in Hinduism and Buddhism.

Nice another chapter of this wonderful manga. I don’t recall that grunt enjoying the dildo getting shoved in his ass in the anime but it’s still a funny scene. Thanks for the translations.

It did happen in the anime. They even add a line for KanaHana in that scene after the "EEEEEI!".

 

[BadmanBlues]

Thanks for the translation.

About Touka's name: Thank to the author's tweet I figured out that Touka (トーカ) is derived from the Kan-on reading of the kami of foxes Inari (稲荷 - とうか - tōka). Dakini is closely associated with Inari, often identified as the same deity due to syncretism (both are associated with foxes and dragon-fox/gleaming-fox (shinko)). This is possibly also the reason Dakini's... combat form I guess, is a fox girl. This is most likely derived from the concept of Sankoshin (Three-fox God) which in our case can be interpreted as Dakini (the Archon) is the human fox aspect of the deity (which reinforces the idea that Archons are "humans").
Dakini didn't just syncretize with Inari but also Amaterasu, due to the Shingon enthronement ritual of the emperor of Japan (Dakini entered Japan through Shingon school of Buddhism, and Amaterasu is the ancestor of the imperial lineage), and this rite is performed by Fujiwara regents to the new emperor. The myth about how the mantra of Dakini was taught to the Fujiwara clan is very likely a source of inspiration for Dakini's backstory, where the ancestor of Fujiwara clan was kidnapped as a child by a shinko (Amaterasu/Dakini) and was then taught the ritual (the shinko might or might not have also awakened him sexually) and given a scythe. That myth also explains why Dakini has a scythe as a weapon, while she riding a skull is a reference back to the Skull Ritual. The shape of the blade of the scythe is based on the Om symbol, which is probably called back to her origin in Hinduism and Buddhism.

It did happen in the anime. They even add a line for KanaHana in that scene after the "EEEEEI!".

I just want to thank you for writing this up. This is the sort of cultural context that completely goes over my head and having informed individuals provide useful commentary for stuff like this is super cool, and it really helps me better appreciate everything going on with the story. You're awesome.

 

[nanimuwu]

The plot thickens

 

[Bados_Ladyte]

I just want to thank you for writing this up. This is the sort of cultural context that completely goes over my head and having informed individuals provide useful commentary for stuff like this is super cool, and it really helps me better appreciate everything going on with the story. You're awesome.

I really like stories like KamiKatsu and Rosen Garten Saga. They are based on mythologies and legends but are still able to create their own interesting stories and characters while paying proper tributes and sometimes even educating the readers on those myths and sagas. And then there are things like that certain ongoing battle tournament manga, where there is virtually no reason to use the gods and historical figures IRL besides for an interesting sale pitch so that they could do nothing with it.

 

[BadmanBlues]

I really like stories like KamiKatsu and Rosen Garten Saga. They are based on mythologies and legends but are still able to create their own interesting stories and characters while paying proper tributes and sometimes even educating the readers on those myths and sagas. And then there are things like that certain ongoing battle tournament manga, where there is virtually no reason to use the gods and historical figures IRL besides for an interesting sale pitch so that they could do nothing with it.

Try Touge Oni if you haven't already, I think you'd love it. It's one of smartest, best written, most mythologically rich stories on the dex. If you're as familiar with Japanese mythology as it sounds like, I think you'll get much more from it than me. I only recently learned that most of the characters and story are rooted in Japan's founding myth.

 

[asdftoger]

Thanks for the translation.

About Touka's name: Thank to the author's tweet I figured out that Touka (トーカ) is derived from the Kan-on reading of the kami of foxes Inari (稲荷 - とうか - tōka). Dakini is closely associated with Inari, often identified as the same deity due to syncretism (both are associated with foxes and dragon-fox/gleaming-fox (shinko)). This is possibly also the reason Dakini's... combat form I guess, is a fox girl. This is most likely derived from the concept of Sankoshin (Three-fox God) which in our case can be interpreted as Dakini (the Archon) is the human fox aspect of the deity (which reinforces the idea that Archons are "humans").
Dakini didn't just syncretize with Inari but also Amaterasu, due to the Shingon enthronement ritual of the emperor of Japan (Dakini entered Japan through Shingon school of Buddhism, and Amaterasu is the ancestor of the imperial lineage), and this rite is performed by Fujiwara regents to the new emperor. The myth about how the mantra of Dakini was taught to the Fujiwara clan is very likely a source of inspiration for Dakini's backstory, where the ancestor of Fujiwara clan was kidnapped as a child by a shinko (Amaterasu/Dakini) and was then taught the ritual (the shinko might or might not have also awakened him sexually) and given a scythe. That myth also explains why Dakini has a scythe as a weapon, while she riding a skull is a reference back to the Skull Ritual. The shape of the blade of the scythe is based on the Om symbol, which is probably called back to her origin in Hinduism and Buddhism.

It did happen in the anime. They even add a line for KanaHana in that scene after the "EEEEEI!".

Thanks for the Japanese mythology tidbit, That's incredible that Touka was hiding in plain sight even for me. I was wondering what the shape of Dakini's scythe was a reference to.

 

[popo53414]

Rish tan is that girl's daughter

 

[thegoatrider]

Well damn, thanks for the translations. I wonder what rish might do now

 

[ForTheJerusalem]

So they didn't kill the baby? Wow i thought that there were just evil, but they are actually better that a lot of people.

 

[asdftoger]

Thanks for the translation.

About Touka's name: Thank to the author's tweet I figured out that Touka (トーカ) is derived from the Kan-on reading of the kami of foxes Inari (稲荷 - とうか - tōka). Dakini is closely associated with Inari, often identified as the same deity due to syncretism (both are associated with foxes and dragon-fox/gleaming-fox (shinko)). This is possibly also the reason Dakini's... combat form I guess, is a fox girl. This is most likely derived from the concept of Sankoshin (Three-fox God) which in our case can be interpreted as Dakini (the Archon) is the human fox aspect of the deity (which reinforces the idea that Archons are "humans").
Dakini didn't just syncretize with Inari but also Amaterasu, due to the Shingon enthronement ritual of the emperor of Japan (Dakini entered Japan through Shingon school of Buddhism, and Amaterasu is the ancestor of the imperial lineage), and this rite is performed by Fujiwara regents to the new emperor. The myth about how the mantra of Dakini was taught to the Fujiwara clan is very likely a source of inspiration for Dakini's backstory, where the ancestor of Fujiwara clan was kidnapped as a child by a shinko (Amaterasu/Dakini) and was then taught the ritual (the shinko might or might not have also awakened him sexually) and given a scythe. That myth also explains why Dakini has a scythe as a weapon, while she riding a skull is a reference back to the Skull Ritual. The shape of the blade of the scythe is based on the Om symbol, which is probably called back to her origin in Hinduism and Buddhism.

It did happen in the anime. They even add a line for KanaHana in that scene after the "EEEEEI!".

You've sent me down a rabbit hole of reading about Dakini-ten, Inari and Amaterasu. I stumbled upon an interesting article: Why is Amaterasu = Vairocana Buddha = Dakini-ten = Tamamo-no-mae
https://yamimin-planet.com/tamamo-amaterasu/

An interesting religious theory is honji suijaku, that posits many Shinto figures are manifestations of Buddhas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honji_suijaku

Amaterasu is the physical form that the Vairocana would take when saving people.
The Vairocana exorcised the Dakini-ten and converted them to Buddhism, and from thereon became the Vairocana's "virtue". -> Dakini-ten becomes the incarnation of the Vairocana -> Dakini-ten syncretises with Amaterasu due to the enthronement ritual you mentioned.

The fox that Dakini-ten rode and Inari rode became the same -> Dakini-ten and Inari eventually blended together -> Dakini-ten is the God Inari

Tamano-no-mae, from Fate Grand Order, her soul originates from Amaterasu, and has a fox motif that probably relates to Inari. The author ends with - Tamano-no-mae's fox ears and waifu form is one of Amaterasu's personalities (probably)

 

[ciera]

Thanks

 

[NesfrutaPH]

That was fast

 

[Bados_Ladyte]

Try Touge Oni if you haven't already, I think you'd love it. It's one of smartest, best written, most mythologically rich stories on the dex. If you're as familiar with Japanese mythology as it sounds like, I think you'll get much more from it than me. I only recently learned that most of the characters and story are rooted in Japan's founding myth.

Oh I love it, definitely one of the best fantasy manga I have ever encountered. It's way more high-concept and it's more about building the story on top of a theological foundation than just referencing the myths, making it sometimes very hard to understand and to research on it.
Same with KamiKatsu's episode titles really, making them Mitama's cult's version of Harae Kotoba is just way too dank for my gaijin's head.

 

[TrueGoddessReincarnation]

When I saw this in the anime I thought of a SMT boss fight. But then again the entire thing is basically SMT.

 

[BadmanBlues]

Oh I love it, definitely one of the best fantasy manga I have ever encountered. It's way more high-concept and it's more about building the story on top of a theological foundation than just referencing the myths, making it sometimes very hard to understand and to research on it.
Same with KamiKatsu's episode titles really, making them Mitama's cult's version of Harae Kotoba is just way too dank for my gaijin's head.

Theology is a good word for it. It feels like it takes a lot of the concepts behind animism and shintoism specifically and modernizes them in a way that feels genuinely believable. As opposed to the rote repetition of stories. Some serious thought went into it.

Do you read about this stuff for fun or are you a historian or cultural anthropology major?

 

[Bados_Ladyte]

Theology is a good word for it. It feels like it takes a lot of the concepts behind animism and shintoism specifically and modernizes them in a way that feels genuinely believable. As opposed to the rote repetition of stories. Some serious thought went into it.

Do you read about this stuff for fun or are you a historian or cultural anthropology major?

I have a biotech degree, this is just a hobby. There is a connection between religions, human migrations, allele flow, and evolution, probably more than enough for one to write papers and books about it, it isn't within my field of study or work.