Kanojo, Okarishimasu - Vol. 15 Ch. 130 - The Girlfriend and Filming (Part 2)

[Yautja]

@Adiazgonz
Well considering the majority of the comments are shitting on this manga and the MC, every chapter, I don't "believe", I know. And ironically, you're doing the same thing you're bitching about, by bitching about negative comments. So you're a hypocrite, and an idiot as well as unoriginal.

 

[Xxjuggernaut]

@relic626
Hey. At least Amano has some progress once in a while and it's funny.

I don't read this manga. Dropped it 30 chapters in but I read the comments. This thing is a dumpster fire

 

[KLGChaos]

@Yautja: At least he doesn't continue reading a manga he doesn't like. Dude, just move on and stop coming here if you hate it that much. I hated what KNIM became so instead of bitching about it, I just stopped reading it and visiting the forums for it. It's honestly a sad obsession when you keep coming back to something just to shit on it. Makes you look extremely childish.

 

[deathtopaulw]

oh no, he gonna CATCH COLD
I hate anime

 

[Adiazgonz]

@KLGChaos

Well said.

What is really astonishing is that they are judging the quality of a manga according to the comments section(!!!), they don’t even care about the manga itself, for god’s sake. Maybe they just like the comments section and actually don’t read the manga? Or maybe they actually read the manga and it’s so shocking they confuse feelings and just choose to hate it? Or they just missed the whole point of the manga and then got frustrated? The thing is that they keep coming and keep reading.

 

[thedestroyership]

Came for the shit plot, stayed for the comment section.

 

[Yautja]

@KLGChaos @Adiazgonz
1. Liking something is not the only reason to read it. There are countless reasons to read something you don't like.
2. Even if it was, that's not a very good burn or high praise of him. If anything, it's the opposite. If you can only do things you like, you're pretty pathetic.
3. The vast majority of people here don't like it, if you don't like negative comments, don't read them, ignore them. Stop being a hypocrite.
4. Again, the vast majority of the people who read this, shit on it. Not liking something or talking about poorly, even if you don't "have to" doesn't somehow make you childish. Plenty of people consistently bitch about plenty of things. That's kind of how you notice there's a problem. You wouldn't tell comcast customers to stop bitching about their shit internet or Game of Thrones fans to stop shit talking the last season or Flint to stop bitching about not having water.
5. Literally no one is judging the manga by the comments, what are you on, everyone is talking shit about the contents of the manga. Observing that the majority of the comments are shit talking the manga leads validity to the idea most people don't like it or the MC.
6. Just because people have a different (negative) opinion than you, does not mean they should not be able to talk or should go some place else. If you cannot handle negative opinions, go to a safe space like twitter where they ban people for that shit. What's actually a sad obsession is being so offended and irritated that people doesn't like what you like and consistently complaining about them not liking or doing what you want them to do. If you hate these comments so much, instead of bitching about it, just stop reading them and visiting the forums for it.

 

[sdarkpaladin]

He'll be in his room making no noise and pretending he's not there.

 

[Zenoslash]

Welcome back to SIMP, the manga.

Once again, our heroine and true protagonist Mami remains OOA.

 

[dahhv2]

@Yautja: That's fine and all until you see comments such as "I dropped the manga from 30 chapters" or "I don't read it anymore" but still comments on the latest chapter thread hating on the manga.
I do understand though that the manga has a very low mean score.

But heck, the genres itself should warn most people here to turn off their brain and just read the series (or at least lower their expectations).

 

[kowoyoshi]

I just visit the comments section to see if the manga improved, like the manga had potential in the first couple of arcs however every step the mc took, the author took that character development and threw it back out the windownfor example we've had several times where he'd resolve his and ruka relationship ready to accept her or reject her and like clockwork some major things happens with the fmc and we're back to ruka chasing after the mc and the MC, entirety personality resetting back to 1. also Yautja is one of those crazy people who read stuff they hate, rather than drop it, never understood the mentality never will.

 

[Chumbo]

I even imagine what the anime will be like. It starts like the manga, with a lot of action between the characters and then a lot of episodes in which nothing really happens.

 

[Anteup321]

@Chumbo they are animating this?! Dear god no...

 

[Yautja]

@dahhv2
That makes no difference and doesn't change the fact that the overwhelming majority of people who dislike it and are commenting have read it in its entirety, and that liking something is not the only reason to read it. Some people not reading but still commenting, of which there are like two or three comments, makes absolutely no difference to the vast majority who clearly are reading. Not that you even need to be an active reader to take part in the discussion of a series. Especially considering what the comments you're referring to have said, and how little has changed in this manga.

If a given thing is doing poorly, of course the comments are going to be negative. Just because you like it does not change that fact or mean other people should censure themselves. Being warned that something is going to be bad is not a defence against criticism or an excuse to gain more leniency than deserved. The lengths people will go through to justify dismissing negative comments and defend an obviously shit manga are insane.

 

[Adiazgonz]

@Yautja

Your fancy link develops 6 reasons that don’t support your wisely thoughts about this being a “shitty” manga since, apparently, you’re a very intelligent critic, don’t you? However, neither your intelligent negative criticism is summarized using only the adjective “shitty” to qualify the manga or the character as a very valid point of view of your disgust, nor your incredible well-developed argument that reflects your growth as a very good reader cannot be obtained from just what the “vast majority” of people think about the manga and, therefore, conclude that “bitching” the manga leads as to the fact statement that this is undoubtedly a “shit” manga.

Let’s see:

1. You might not actually hate them… Really. Well, if that is true maybe the intelligent vast majority of people comes here to obtain some sort of eschatological pleasure, since they could be secretly delighted by “shitty” things. Maybe they don’t hate it at all. Maybe they manifest desires trough their hateful thoughts.

2. It’s a great way to measure your own growth — both as a reader and as a person. In this case, I found it “mysterious” to say the least. If I do a recap of all the vast majority of intelligent critics against Kanokari, I will found almost the same words in very short sentences: shit, whore, simp, loser, retard, gold digger, stupid, bored. So, should I must be inclined to believe those fellow intelligent critics of yours have more articulated arguments about the manga. Or is this some kind of quintessential criticism that effectively reflects the growth of your fellow haters as a readers and persons?

3. You’ll be a more informed reader, even of literature you don’t love. I suppose people don’t read Kanokari with any intentions to be a informed reader. I mean, come on! If the vast majority of readers are saying the same thing, every week for several months, even more than a year, what kind of information they could obtain being an echo of his own wisdom when they always say shitty things of a shitty manga? A sounding board cannot inform at all, don’t you think?

4. It might make you more comfortable with opinions that differ from your own. Really, now? “Opinions”??? But in your wise critics you just sentence the end of the manga, I don’t know if you’re an editor, or a publisher or an artist that depends on the work of the manga (I suppose you’re not a reader that enjoys Kanokari, that’s why I don’t put here this option) but who are you to condemn a work of several people just because some haters believe this manga shouldn’t exist and keep coming to the comment section to say the same things every week not as opinions but as facts that must be executed. Until now, I believe an opinion is something autonomous and independent, some more elaborate than others, but a weekly shit storm is just that, a weekly shit storm, and I don’t think they are particularly comfortable with something that differs from what the majority believes. The few times I asked what will be the ideal MC for hear their wise impressions, I got nothing. Some weird explanations of the slow development or complete lack of it but they don’t give evidence. Nothing. I know an opinion could harbor stupidity, but just stupidity cannot be consider always a valid opinion.

5. “DNF” is a really lame Goodreads review — just sayin’. But DNF is usually used in this section!!! The “vast majority” as you called your fellow haters, dropped in chapter 20, or in chapter 30, then they appear in chapter 120 to say: “Hey, did something happened or it’s just the same shitty thing?” Are they reading? There are even worse: “it’s not worth a read! From chapter 5 to chapter 100 it’s always the same!” Are they reading? I suppose you read the shitty manga, right? What are your most interesting thoughts about it that differs from being a shitty thing, or a loser story, or a whore gold digging crap. Great job reading, huh?

6. Perseverance is a useful quality, on and off the page. Perseverance in what? Bitching the manga? the article talks about how important is to read until the end, right? But your ”vast majority” of ”good readers” believes, like you, that the manga should end. Where’s your perseverance even with a group that dropped the manga? It doesn’t make sense.

You said “ If you can only do things you like, you're pretty pathetic.” but your vast majority didn’t ever care about the manga, they dropped several chapters ago, or they have wise shitty thoughts. They aren’t “persevering” not even criticizing, not even giving negative opinions. Nothing. They care about what they like, characters they like, stories they like, but they don’t care about Kanokari, what they care is about bitching Kanokari, nothing more, nothing less. Who’s pathetic?

Your other points are unnecessary to answer because they were previously developed, but points, 3. 4. 5. are the same wise ass pull and shouldn’t be separated, and point 6. is just a ridiculous fallacy.

 

[Adiazgonz]

I don’t believe I need to do a comparison between the quality of criticism of people who really like this manga vs. people who dislike the manga, right?

But maybe a fast review of people who dislike, THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY:

“What the fuck”
“Fuck that loser!!”
“Oh man when this will end?”
“Fucking MC”
“Worst MC ever”
“Fuck that slut”
“ Came for the shit plot, stayed for the comment section.”
“ It's impressive how annoying Ruka is. I guess they're a perfect couple because they're both morons, and both incredibly annoying.

Someone kill this manga.” (oh... wait, respect my opinion!!! It’s majority based!)

“ @Yautja don't get me wrong im with u that this mangos annoying as hell and u r being extra comedic for no reason”
(This predator guy is always talking about opinions, right? What is this comment section? Rethoric classroom of why because saying shit as an opinion shouldn’t be censored? Who is censoring you, predator? Who is desiring that someone kill the manga? FFS!)

“ It's genuinely an accomplishment to make such a universally hated character and manga. This manga cannot end fast enough.” (IT SHOULD END NOW!! NOW! The overwhelming majority cannot be wrong!!)

However, joking asides, I don’t see an overwhelming majority. The most interesting comments comes from people who actually read the manga and enjoy it.

 

[Yautja]

@Adiazgonz
That's a lot of writing for very little thought. That link is simply about why you should read things regardless of whether or not you like them, it has nothing to do with whether or not something is good or bad. So your entire premise for that word vomit is null. Not that each individual bullet has much thought attached to them. You've not managed to explain to anyone why any of those bolded points are bad or wrong, just how much you can dishonestly strain yourself to try and make it seem like you have point, and artificially inflate your response. You clearly didn't even read the title. Or the sentence attached to the link. You are bitching at me for reading something I didn't like, and that link explains why you should read things regardless of whether you like them.

The comments, ratings and reviews across all websites are what explains why this manga is bad. How ironic that the guy claiming I think I'm an intelligent critic and what not didn't even have the ability to read the title of the article he's bitching about or the sentence that linked to it, neither of which had anything to do with whether or not something is good or bad and exemplify exactly what he claimed I am.

If we tally the comments now from individual users, there are 25 comments from individual users, 15 are overtly negative, 5 are neutral, and 5 are overtly or presumably positive. That's 3:1 Positive to negative. That's 3 : 2 negative to all others. That's an overwhelming majority (70% - 80%+) of positive to negative and clear majority of negative to all else.

You've still managed to completely miss any point. Especially with that second comment. If you want to delude yourself further, enjoy, I think my point has been made by you better than anyone else.

 

[Halesy]

I don’t even bother reading the chapters anymore, but every damn update I immediately get excited and check the comment section.

 

[ZeonII]

people don't get that it's specifically made so that you love to hate it but keep reading.

 

[Adiazgonz]

@Yautja

You are bitching at me for reading something I didn't like

When? You can’t even read well. You said is an accomplishment to continue the manga. I said the same thing to you. Do you feel censored? How about when you said that “someone kill the manga”? some sort of censorship, right? who is being an hypocrite? I’m not bitching at you. Be my guest to continue cultivating your own misery each week, I don’t care.

and that link explains why you should read things regardless of whether you like them.

Your link was trying to prove why someone should read something that they hate. But I’m not trying to say those points are bad, I’m saying that they are completely misguided because your “overwhelming majority” didn’t put on practice what you tried to explain in those points about why someone should read something that they hate.

Your only argument to say that this manga is shit is because “the overwhelming majority” said so, that’s an stupid fallacy when the comments just use some stupid words without any reasoning at all.

The comments, ratings and reviews across all websites are what explains why this manga is bad.

Which comments? “This manga is shit” and sort of? Have you read a good comment criticizing the manga that have an articulated idea of how it is really bad or Should I just let me guide of what the majority said about it? “Fuck the bitch and kill the simp”

Which ratings? In mangadex the manga has 6.77 yes it’s not good, but the distribution ratings put 10 with more than 600 users, 9 to more than 300, 8 to almost 400, 7 almost 300, and the 6 almost 200, 5,4,3,2 each one doesn’t surpass 200, with 3 and 2 below 100... then we have 1 which have almost 300... where the hell is your OVERWHELMING MAJORITY?

Which reviews? Which websites? Who is straining and lying to make an non existing point? Supporting a supposedly “freedom of bitching” because the manga is an awful piece of trash? No one should tell you to stop reading the manga, yes YOU ARE RIGHT, they don’t have the right to tell you that, just as you DONT HAVE THE BLODDY RIGHT to tell that someone must kill the manga. So fuck off with that stupid bullshit of who is entitled or not to say something about what to do or what not, when you actually do the same thing.

Which explanation? Which is your intelligent explanation of why this manga is bad? The comments here? Something as “this manga is shit and someone must fuck that slut” yeah, dude, good job freedom guy!

didn't even have the ability to read the title of the article he's bitching about or the sentence that linked to it

I’m not bitching about the article, but do you think people here can be guided about what the article said? Do you believe they are actually good readers? Have you read the comments? Because the article try to prove why is good to read something that you hate, right? In what part of the article comes the guy that always said “this is just shit, kill the manga” GOOD JOB, enjoy the reading!

If we tally the comments now from individual users, there are 25 comments from individual users, 15 are overtly negative, 5 are neutral, and 5 are overtly or presumably positive. That's 3:1 Positive to negative. That's 3 : 2 negative to all others. That's an overwhelming majority (70% - 80%+) of positive to negative and clear majority of negative to all else.

Do you have any proof of this? Do you believe that for measure the quality of a work of art we must tally all the “opinions” and these have the same value? Do you see how stupid is to qualify something just as you are in a poll?

Let’s make a fast review of chapter 1 comments in mangadex. Just as a sample.
17 comments. 16 users. I’m going to use this rating: Good. Good?. Neutral. Bad? Bad.

Good? And bad? Are just categories which I consider as a bad or good commentary because they say something about the characters but, they are more inclined to comment about a specific part of the story, not judging directly the manga.

Then We have:
Bad: 3
Bad? 4
Neutral: 4 (cameos, calculations)
Good?: 3
Good: 2

Which is the most interesting commentary?

A good one, this, from onixium: I mean guys sure he did something shitty. But he was in a dark spot after being broken up with. He had a big hole in his heart after that and wanted to try and fill it even if temporary then realized it was a bad idea. Sure it doesn't make it okay at all. But thats a pretty common thing to want post breakup. People especially young people make mistakes like this during these situations He handled it poorly sure, and other people would handle it differenyly. but i think it was fairly realistic. Hopefully he learns from the mistake.

Which is the worse?

A bad one: Rental girlfriend? The very definition of it just sad.

So apparently for you they have the same value.

I just putted an example that can be easily checked. So, from where this numbers come from? 25 comments from individual user? Did you do the math? How many comments we are going to have saying “this is shit” or “I hate the MC”. So you think criticism have the same value no matter what they are saying? More bullshit, because THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE IS A FAKE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY just to prove that this manga is BAD. Good job, saying that a quantitative measure is the same of a qualitative one.


You only have to offer fake and nonsense.
This manga is being adapted to an anime, have a big fandom in Japan, the mangaka is well respected and very talented. Do you think they will make something that won’t have a commercial success? The sales are very good until now. Yes, it isn’t very popular outside Japan, but is doing well. And the official English translations are going out in July. Where is your OVERWHELMING MAJORITY?

You’re entitled to your own misery, so be my guest and please, BUT PLEASE, come back in chapter 131, 132, and so on to continue bitching the manga and I desire you a fulfilling life reading with the unique feeling of what hate and misery shall offer you. I really would like to read your wisdom.