Kasane to Subaru - Vol. 5 Ch. 38

[MangaDex]

 

[Hicleric]

Got poached, did she? Good for her, even if it feels super disruptive to her happy life.

Lots of talking these last two chapters and not a lot of cute, but from a storytelling perspective they work together really well. The gut punch moving straight into a worthwhile life lesson seemed completely natural and well balanced.

With the end coming up soon I imagine this latest development will be the basis for them to move in together (or more!), but there's certainly still some space for two or three mini arcs before then

 

[Darklight99]

Someone getting a new job/job transfer, getting cliche for Office love stories.

 

[MOKALI]

Someone is getting poached it seems...!

 

[Ohin]

Gotta say I absolutely hate the way Ban talks in this chapter. As if the comment about crying wasn't bad enough, and maybe this is something that comes off worse in translation I'm not sure, but "how did you end up there?" feels like a really disrespectful way to approach someone both in general and also from a company you are ostensibly supposed to be working with.

 

[brndndss]

i didnt even think of her getting poached, but kasane does have the passion for the monsters. as long as she gets to stick to graphic design, she really struggled with the planning/development part

 

[bigk1ng]

What a crazy and rude thing to say to someone who is in a vulnerable spot after getting their proposal rejected

 

[Acolytus]

I'm not sure about this. Kinda want her to thrive in a bigger place but this corpo chick comes off as a dick and inviting someone whose proposal you never intended to accept just to poach them feels like a shitty thing to do.

 

[arimareiji]

With the end coming up soon

😭 I don't care if Ban doesn't like it, I'm still going to.

 

[Thehealbus]

I'm not sure about this. Kinda want her to thrive in a bigger place but this corpo chick comes off as a dick and inviting someone whose proposal you never intended to accept just to poach them feels like a shitty thing to do.

Her current company isn't teaching her about important business stuff as outlined in the chapter, so it's a win-win to go somewhere you can learn those important skills.

 

[arimareiji]

What a crazy and rude thing to say to someone who is in a vulnerable spot after getting their proposal rejected

I'm not sure about this. Kinda want her to thrive in a bigger place but this corpo chick comes off as a dick and inviting someone whose proposal you never intended to accept just to poach them feels like a shitty thing to do.

The more I think about it… is it too harsh to say it comes across as "negging", which is downright despicable?

 

[Magmanarwhal]

The more I think about it… is it too harsh to say it comes across as "negging", which is downright despicable?

I'm not sure if it's negging to be honest. This really felt like when Ban said that, she was putting her foot in her mouth. In fact by the way the other person with her talked, this might have happened more than once and she's probably been reprimanded for it. The fact she appologized twice makes me think 1. She's aware of it and just blurted it out without thinking and 2. trying to be better about it. Doesn't Negging have to be done with specific intent?

 

[outinthegardener]

I'm not sure if it's negging to be honest. This really felt like when Ban said that, she was putting her foot in her mouth. In fact by the way the other person with her talked, this might have happened more than once and she's probably been reprimanded for it. The fact she appologized twice makes me think 1. She's aware of it and just blurted it out without thinking and 2. trying to be better about it. Doesn't Negging have to be done with specific intent?

I agree that it's not negging but an unusual combination of "foot in mouth" and "surprise, this was your second interview, and you passed." I still think it's raising some red flags.

The comment about "hating women who cry" is toxic internalized misogyny. Why does crying in the workplace mean a problem? Is it because your company routinely causes crises that overwhelm the worker's emotions? Does the ten or fifteen minutes needed to cry cut too much into the overtime or something? Seems like a crappy company, tbh.

The comment about "How did you end up there" is an insensitive way to start a job switch conversation. One she didn't expect or ask for.

Let's not forget that her reason for this project is a personal attachment to Silbelgan, the character that reminds her of her boyfriend's butt. Her company is much smaller and doesn't deal with the same scale of planning and licensing as the partner company; the entire reason they went to the other company was they needed their licensing experience.

There are benefits to moving to the bigger company, if she wants to be more than a graphic designer. That's a big if. She might realize there's no benefit for her personal career goals.

 

[Thrembs]

I was wrong 🥳 🎉

 

[GamKHT]

Thanks for the translation! I'm also curious whether the rudeness of both sentences are present in the japanese version.

I understand that weaponizing tears is kinda iffy, but that's a harsh thing to say to someone you don't even know.

I also think Ban is trying to recruit her, but I hope the phrase was only dubious to create suspense rather than she was actually being rude to their company

 

[Sky_Ravager]

Fucking cliffhanger...
Thanks for the chapter!!

 

[MacMeaties]

The comment about "hating women who cry" is toxic internalized misogyny.

She said "I hate women who use tears as a weapon", she wasn't saying women who cry are a problem, she was saying that deliberately using crying as emotional blackmail is a problem.

 

[_hng_]

She said "I hate women who use tears as a weapon", she wasn't saying women who cry are a problem, she was saying that deliberately using crying as emotional blackmail is a problem.

And that can happen even without the woman intend to.

I am so used to such thing that it really makes me tired whenever somebody cry and guilt trip + gaslight me into thinking that I am a bad person.

 

[outinthegardener]

She said "I hate women who use tears as a weapon", she wasn't saying women who cry are a problem, she was saying that deliberately using crying as emotional blackmail is a problem.

And that can happen even without the woman intend to.

I am so used to such thing that it really makes me tired whenever somebody cry and guilt trip + gaslight me into thinking that I am a bad person.

I do see that's a little different, however... When does crying go from genuine to a weapon, and why did Ban jump to that conclusion? She just assumed a duplicitous motive when the tears began. That's on Ban, not Kasane.

Partly it's because I think emotions are data we ought to pay attention to. If you shut someone down, and they start crying, you don't need to take that personally. You can figure out what's going on, like they eventually did by communicating.

There's an idea from Modernity that "logic is better than emotions" and I think that's poor emotional intelligence.

 

[jubuttib]

That's on Ban, not Kasane

I mean yes, she acknowledged that she had a knee jerk reaction, and was wrong about it, saying that she now knows that wasn't what Kasane was doing, and apologised for it. People aren't perfect, mistakes happen.

The job switch talk left a worse taste in my mouth than that.