Keikenchi Chochiku de Nonbiri Shoushin Ryokou ~Yuusha to Koibito ni Tsuihou Sareta Senshi no Mujikaku Zamaa~ - Ch. 43

[tekkenshu7]

We're in V2 of 6 in the source LNs.

Even so, it depends on the publishers and IP owners if they will want to continue with the adaptation. They might just want to cover up to the part where they deal with the last two childhood friends and just leave the story at the 'the adventure continues, please read the LN to follow the story further' stuff they usually do 😆

 

[hevensdragon]

It's called a CHOICE, hence why I put it in SPOILERS!!!!


CHOOSE or DON'T you didn't need to make a reply saying "no you won't" buddy.

You could have just, I don't know "NOT LOOK AT IT THEN!"

I knew you posted a spoiler and skipped it intentionally. But you decided to push those spoilers on me anyway. And in doing so spoiled me robbing me of the choice. So I am rather pissed at you. Take your spoilers and shove them up back down your throat, preferably choking on them.

 

[AlaAlba]

I’m going to laugh if the old gf and hero are siblings

 

[Oobaka-san]

One question for spoilers from those that have read the LN or WN: do Soara and Nei ever get to be with Touru or not?

 

[TheEnd478]

I knew you posted a spoiler and skipped it intentionally. But you decided to push those spoilers on me anyway. And in doing so spoiled me robbing me of the choice. So I am rather pissed at you. Take your spoilers and shove them up back down your throat, preferably choking on them.

 

[Oberon-056]

So the other girl might not be brainwashed then?

She is not.

Spoiler warning for the later half of the series.

Spoiler

In fact, she is actually the Demon King reincarnated, and is intentionally sabotaging the hero, Sain. The Evil Eye is Not something the Hero class can learn naturally, not without being taught by a demon.

 

[betetta]

Not really. Like Shield Hero this story is jumping through a lot of hoops to polish a turd.

Kaede and the rest all being magically bound slaves (and not just playing along with kinky roleplay) is only working out because Tohru would never hurt them, even accidentally or while intoxicated.

Without that, they would always be one argument (or one drink too many) away from completely disaster, should he ever get mad or wasted and issue a stupid order.

Just remember that on this Manga slavery is mostly a way for toru to share levels and power with his waifu, is more like a bond of loyalty than anything else mixed with a magical link

 

[betetta]

One question for spoilers from those that have read the LN or WN: do Soara and Nei ever get to be with Touru or not?

Spoiler: About toru's future lovelife

he gets to have 8 wives with kids and all, Nei and Soara included, actually Soara is instrumental in this since she will help him get gifts for the girls and suggested rings, which turned into an engagement. We've already met 7 of the 8 wives in the Manga, kaede and frau obviously, Nei and Soara, alyusha, the noble girl from the very first chapters and another princess I forgot the name off too, only one missing is a demon girl named pione

 

[Zhangar]

Just remember that on this Manga slavery is mostly a way for toru to share levels and power with his waifu, is more like a bond of loyalty than anything else mixed with a magical link

Which is a super lazy handwave of something that's actually pretty fucked up the moment you examine it any detail.

Slavery is apparently very common in this setting, and is core of Tohru's party dynamic, but the author is careful to avoid actually dealing with it. We only see it through the rose-tinted lenses of Tohru's "family" and never what the normal slave owners are like.

Sain is basically the opposite end of the spectrum, where he uses his brainwashing powers to be an illegal slave owner. (Huh. He could have just had all of his girls "volunteer" for magic slave branding and not even have to rely on the brainwashing to stay in control of them.)

Do slaves actually have rights in this setting? Are they still considered people? Or are they just chattel? Is killing someone else's slave murder or is it destruction of property? Is a slave owner killing their own slaves even a crime?

I'm guessing the WN/LN never address this because it's just supposed to be a fetish thing and the author put no thought into it.

 

[komandan]

thanks for this chapter translation,
cheers!

 

[Willie29]

why did she become his slave?

 

[betetta]

Which is a super lazy handwave of something that's actually pretty fucked up the moment you examine it any detail.

Slavery is apparently very common in this setting, and is core of Tohru's party dynamic, but the author is careful to avoid actually dealing with it. We only see it through the rose-tinted lenses of Tohru's "family" and never what the normal slave owners are like.

Sain is basically the opposite end of the spectrum, where he uses his brainwashing powers to be an illegal slave owner. (Huh. He could have just had all of his girls "volunteer" for magic slave branding and not even have to rely on the brainwashing to stay in control of them.)

Do slaves actually have rights in this setting? Are they still considered people? Or are they just chattel? Is killing someone else's slave murder or is it destruction of property? Is a slave owner killing their own slaves even a crime?

I'm guessing the WN/LN never address this because it's just supposed to be a fetish thing and the author put no thought into it.

Different culture... Japan was never a apart of the trans Atlantic slave trade so their view of the whole concept is different.

This is how I think it works... People used to be confused with Evangelion bad guys being called angels when the translation in context of the word shinto is more like messenger or scout even if they had clear references in their designs to judeo christian stuff, people on the west still wondered sometimes why they weren't white blonde guys with wings in pijamas.

The concept includes two contexts you don't share and probably Will refuse to share, slavery in a fantasy medieval context and in the Japanese culture concept, you want to apply the taboos of the modern western world to it. The writer won't... Simple.

 

[Zhangar]

Different culture... Japan was never a apart of the trans Atlantic slave trade so their view of the whole concept is different.

This is how I think it works... People used to be confused with Evangelion bad guys being called angels when the translation in context of the word shinto is more like messenger or scout even if they had clear references in their designs to judeo christian stuff, people on the west still wondered sometimes why they weren't white blonde guys with wings in pijamas.

The concept includes two contexts you don't share and probably Will refuse to share, slavery in a fantasy medieval context and in the Japanese culture concept, you want to apply the taboos of the modern western world to it. The writer won't... Simple.

I'd say from all the cages and brands and shit that the author is clearly leaning on Western-style chattel slavery for his inspiration, and not the "indentured servitude with no expiration date" that the Japanese frequently engaged in.

 

[betetta]

Then you definitely need to read some more about the Asian slave trade, I mean... Thinking that cages or branding are only exclusive to the Atlantic slave trade is silly, in this fantasy stories we see a lot of cases of people that sold themselves into slavery for debt or fell into it simply because of social standing, and it had categories like domestic or military slaves, things that are in fact taken directly from how it happened in South South East Asia.

Im as little of an expert as you in this, but what I said was a simple Googling away

I'd say from all the cages and brands and shit that the author is clearly leaning on Western-style chattel slavery for his inspiration, and not the "indentured servitude with no expiration date" that the Japanese frequently engaged in.

 

[Zhangar]

Then you definitely need to read some more about the Asian slave trade, I mean... Thinking that cages or branding are only exclusive to the Atlantic slave trade is silly, in this fantasy stories we see a lot of cases of people that sold themselves into slavery for debt or fell into it simply because of social standing, and it had categories like domestic or military slaves, things that are in fact taken directly from how it happened in South South East Asia.

Im as little of an expert as you in this, but what I said was a simple Googling away

The chattel slavery being based on Middle Eastern or Southeast Asian chattel slavery and not Trans-Atlantic chattel slavery still doesn't change that the author is lazily handwaving something that's fucked up.

I've seen stories that did bother to divide up the slaves by roles/casts, but I don't think this one did.

In the chapter that he bought the saint Tohru notes that the slaves are usually debtors or criminals, but not much more than that.

I think Kaede was straight-up kidnapped and trafficked? And that was clearly fine in this setting.

Edit: I guess I should make clear - I don't object to there being slavery in the setting. I just roll my eyes every fucking time the MC is actual slave owner (and not just engaged in kinky roleplay) and we're supposed to pretend he's a good person.

 

[Zhangar]

Since the same group that's translating this manga has already translated the light novels, I went ahead and grabbed the first one to see if it had any additional insights.

First, the novel really ain't that good. The manga's excellent art is doing a lot of heavy lifting for this story.

Second, the slave trade is pretty much just speed-ran through. Tohru finds it gross but after what just happened with his original party, he wants a companion who cannot betray him or disobey him. The slave trader initial offers priced in the millions are a lizardman to use as a meatshield, and then an elf mage as both a living weapon and as a top tier fucktoy.

Tohru revealing that he's only got 150K gets him shown to the animals and sick/defective/unruly children section, since they're worth far less, but still run for 100K or so as future investment. Kaede turns out extra discounted because she's terminally ill, and has no value even as an investment. And we know where it goes from there.

Third, to my surprise Tohru actually asked Kaede how she ever became a slave in the first place (I'm so used to MCs showing absolutely no curiosity or interest in their waifu's backstory) but they get interrupted by the bandit attack where they rescue that ojou-sama girl and of course it doesn't come up again. Maybe that still happened in the manga and I just forgot about it?

Also, here's a goofy thing. The manga definitely tries to play up how Kaede's mature beyond her years, but the novel plays up that that Kaede's a child with an adult's body. (Though I guess being 15 and magically aging-up to 20ish is less weird than Raphtalia being like 10 and aging up to 18 or whatever the heck she's supposed to be.)

I'm also amused that a spoiler that I'd seen about the demon king is actually set up by a casual aside in the prologue of the first novel.

 

[Enlawed74]

Spoiler: About toru's future lovelife

he gets to have 8 wives with kids and all, Nei and Soara included, actually Soara is instrumental in this since she will help him get gifts for the girls and suggested rings, which turned into an engagement. We've already met 7 of the 8 wives in the Manga, kaede and frau obviously, Nei and Soara, alyusha, the noble girl from the very first chapters and another princess I forgot the name off too, only one missing is a demon girl named pione

Wait what ? 8 wives ? even Frau ? I was thinking he would only marry Kaede. And they all have 1 one child ? Or some have more ?
But did Toru really fell in love with all the 7 others, or some have been political ?