Kenshi wo Mezashite Nyuugaku shita no ni Mahou Tekisei 9999 nan desu kedo!? - Vol. 5 Ch. 24 - Donation and Repayment
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There's no way this is allowed. If some thugs come by and threaten you into selling something, local authorities will take action, especially if the victims are bankers or wealthy merchants. I have seen nothing that would lead me to believe the local authorities are so negligent or corrupt that they would simply allow this to stand.
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What ever happened to the money the queen awarded them a while back for capturing the bandits? Or if Laura got the additional money from the queen by returning her back to normal, she could most likely pay off the debt.
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Charlotte going ahead and paying for her future wife's wife's debt because happy family.
These are good kids, I hope they stay happy.
These are good kids, I hope they stay happy.
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always ugly bastards... you know that the most heartless loan sharks, looks like respectable ppl?
While the huggy feels are nice and all - if unsurprising given the trio already have what's effectively an informal engagement - this plot arc is complete fucking nonsense srsly.
1) Land ownership was Kind Of A Big Deal in any premodern society (and no small matter in modern ones for that matter), doubly so in urban areas, and subject to both quite considerable attention on part of whatever authorities exist in the context and serious litigation in case of disputes. Not to mention that often enough it wasn't readily tradeable in the first place - it becoming so was a pretty major watershed in economic history - and there were routinely even more restrictions on the sale of lands used for religious purposes. Some random goons sure as shit couldn't try to seize some primo urban real estate by blatantly dubious means and actually expect it to stick, as opposed to having the authorities (represented by whatever armed force they keep on payroll to enforce peace) come down on them like the proverbial ton of bricks.
2) Same generally went for loans and the like which were often also subject to religious opprobrium to boot - notably IRL both Christianity and Islam took issue with usury, and Medieval theologicians spent remarkable amount of time and ink on the concept of "just price" (which actually had some majorly beneficial effects in the long run but that's a topic for another day). And some random goons sure as shit didn't get away with strong-arming deeds off the wealthy; that lot could not only *very* readily appeal to the legal authorities (often enough consisting of members of the same class) but also tended to have quite enough hale & hearty household staff to unceremoniously evict such wannabe toughs into the gutter (rulers routinely had to impose strict legal limits on the sizes of household guards to prevent the creation of veritable private armies). While the "middle class" types were pretty universally organised into guilds and associations and whatnots that could and did readily pool their resources to deal with trouble - and in many societies were themselves armed to the teeth, forming the core of urban defense forces.
3) Religious organisations and buildings were if anything an even BIGGER deal, being important civic institutions of immediate relevance to most people in eras when effectively 100% of the population took the supernatural extremely seriously. You didn't fuck with them unless you wanted approximately the entire community pissed off at you - *kings* routinely had to tread carefully around them, and there's kind of a reason that for all their militant atheism the Soviet Bolsheviks (and later their assorted client states) were obliged to let the churches and mosques stick around.
Also, as vital civic institutions they were as a matter of course funded by the secular authorities and/or themselves directly owned outright substantial lands and other stable sources of revenue (plus were pretty universally exempt from taxes), much of it donated by pious rulers and private individuals. This substantial independent wealth not only secured their institutional continuity but also meant they pretty much never had any reason to take on loans - on the contrary they commonly enough had enough to spare that people, up to and including monarchs, borrowed money from them. There's a reason temples were invariably at the cutting edge of administrative bureaucracy to the point it wasn't unusual for them to be roped into training scribes for the secular rulers - this was the origin of European universities in the Middle Ages and clerk is derived from cleric, for one example. And among the more prolific written sources surviving from the ancient civilisations of the Fertile Crescent are... economic records jotted down by temple scribes. (Indeed the genealogy of the very alphabet we're using here ultimately traces back to the ancient Middle Eastern cuneiform which initially evolved specifically for administrative record-keeping.)
4) The business plan of the wannabe Mafia here makes no bloody sense whatsoever, even leaving the above aside. Even assuming everything went to plan they'd then be the proud owners of a now acutely desacralised church building (a rather *solid* building one might add, ie. difficult and expensive to replace) and the land it's sitting on; how the Hell are they planning to turn a meaningful profit from it? They'd make money altogether more easily and safely by just holding on to the deeds and pocketing the repayments.
Unless of course their leaders could care less about the profit margins and are only interested in the building and/or land for some as yet unrevealed but no doubt nefarious reason...
@kaminomikan tbf these guys are just the footsoldier legbreakers doing the actual collecting. Looking like scary mofos tends to be advantageous in that sort of thing.
1) Land ownership was Kind Of A Big Deal in any premodern society (and no small matter in modern ones for that matter), doubly so in urban areas, and subject to both quite considerable attention on part of whatever authorities exist in the context and serious litigation in case of disputes. Not to mention that often enough it wasn't readily tradeable in the first place - it becoming so was a pretty major watershed in economic history - and there were routinely even more restrictions on the sale of lands used for religious purposes. Some random goons sure as shit couldn't try to seize some primo urban real estate by blatantly dubious means and actually expect it to stick, as opposed to having the authorities (represented by whatever armed force they keep on payroll to enforce peace) come down on them like the proverbial ton of bricks.
2) Same generally went for loans and the like which were often also subject to religious opprobrium to boot - notably IRL both Christianity and Islam took issue with usury, and Medieval theologicians spent remarkable amount of time and ink on the concept of "just price" (which actually had some majorly beneficial effects in the long run but that's a topic for another day). And some random goons sure as shit didn't get away with strong-arming deeds off the wealthy; that lot could not only *very* readily appeal to the legal authorities (often enough consisting of members of the same class) but also tended to have quite enough hale & hearty household staff to unceremoniously evict such wannabe toughs into the gutter (rulers routinely had to impose strict legal limits on the sizes of household guards to prevent the creation of veritable private armies). While the "middle class" types were pretty universally organised into guilds and associations and whatnots that could and did readily pool their resources to deal with trouble - and in many societies were themselves armed to the teeth, forming the core of urban defense forces.
3) Religious organisations and buildings were if anything an even BIGGER deal, being important civic institutions of immediate relevance to most people in eras when effectively 100% of the population took the supernatural extremely seriously. You didn't fuck with them unless you wanted approximately the entire community pissed off at you - *kings* routinely had to tread carefully around them, and there's kind of a reason that for all their militant atheism the Soviet Bolsheviks (and later their assorted client states) were obliged to let the churches and mosques stick around.
Also, as vital civic institutions they were as a matter of course funded by the secular authorities and/or themselves directly owned outright substantial lands and other stable sources of revenue (plus were pretty universally exempt from taxes), much of it donated by pious rulers and private individuals. This substantial independent wealth not only secured their institutional continuity but also meant they pretty much never had any reason to take on loans - on the contrary they commonly enough had enough to spare that people, up to and including monarchs, borrowed money from them. There's a reason temples were invariably at the cutting edge of administrative bureaucracy to the point it wasn't unusual for them to be roped into training scribes for the secular rulers - this was the origin of European universities in the Middle Ages and clerk is derived from cleric, for one example. And among the more prolific written sources surviving from the ancient civilisations of the Fertile Crescent are... economic records jotted down by temple scribes. (Indeed the genealogy of the very alphabet we're using here ultimately traces back to the ancient Middle Eastern cuneiform which initially evolved specifically for administrative record-keeping.)
4) The business plan of the wannabe Mafia here makes no bloody sense whatsoever, even leaving the above aside. Even assuming everything went to plan they'd then be the proud owners of a now acutely desacralised church building (a rather *solid* building one might add, ie. difficult and expensive to replace) and the land it's sitting on; how the Hell are they planning to turn a meaningful profit from it? They'd make money altogether more easily and safely by just holding on to the deeds and pocketing the repayments.
Unless of course their leaders could care less about the profit margins and are only interested in the building and/or land for some as yet unrevealed but no doubt nefarious reason...
@kaminomikan tbf these guys are just the footsoldier legbreakers doing the actual collecting. Looking like scary mofos tends to be advantageous in that sort of thing.
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Just kill the thugs. They're obviously criminals, so nobody gives a rats ass about them. Go and kill them all, and if there's a noble behind them, kill that cunt too. Stop being a massive pussy.
If the MCs don't at least cripple these loser villains for life in this fight, then they're all fucking retards.
If the MCs don't at least cripple these loser villains for life in this fight, then they're all fucking retards.
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@stretch22 if you don't want story go watch a michael bay movie
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I know they are going to beat up the thugs and this entire chapter is just a casus belli, but they really should make no attempt to pay back the loan to these thugs instead of the people who they actually borrowed money from. it defeats the entire purpose of paying the loan back
@Siikalahna just give these guys the benefit of the doubt. They look like criminals, but they must have had a hard life growing up with those faces. One of them looks like they haven't slept in a while either. Even if they have faces only a mother could love.
Anyways, it doesn't make sense to go through with immediately repossessing land, since you need various groups on standby to tear down current buildings and erect new ones. It might be a deft use of the Door In The Face technique, where they can then offer a lower overall payment required in exchange for a certain amount of wine each year.
And they cannot just be killed, since they bought out the debt. They legally can opt that the church to pay back immediately.
Hmm... couldn't the church declare bankruptcy and get the debt discharged, as they were medical expenses? There must be a legal channel that can be pursued.
Anyways, it doesn't make sense to go through with immediately repossessing land, since you need various groups on standby to tear down current buildings and erect new ones. It might be a deft use of the Door In The Face technique, where they can then offer a lower overall payment required in exchange for a certain amount of wine each year.
And they cannot just be killed, since they bought out the debt. They legally can opt that the church to pay back immediately.
Hmm... couldn't the church declare bankruptcy and get the debt discharged, as they were medical expenses? There must be a legal channel that can be pursued.
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Well, the logical reason would be that they bought the loan becouse they knew they were unable to repay it.
And want to use it as a reason to claim the land, people, some mcguffin etc etc as compensation.
So knowing they cant repay it, they hired extra muscle to intimidate and/or force them into complying with their request whatever that may be.
But then again it could just be poor writeing and they just want to be mean for no reason.
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Well, its a bit different because in the other story they actually had a "kind off" legitimate reason to complain as acording to them she broke the law.
IIRC there was a law preventing her from doing what she did without asking the higher ups.
The reason it all became a mess was because the person she did ask for permision was a scummy guy who pretended like it never happend and tried to frame her afterwards.
He did that for political reasons and/ or was bribed.
These guys are just thugs who want to strongarm the church for some reason.
Well, the logical reason would be that they bought the loan becouse they knew they were unable to repay it.
And want to use it as a reason to claim the land, people, some mcguffin etc etc as compensation.
So knowing they cant repay it, they hired extra muscle to intimidate and/or force them into complying with their request whatever that may be.
But then again it could just be poor writeing and they just want to be mean for no reason.
@Nunally
Well, its a bit different because in the other story they actually had a "kind off" legitimate reason to complain as acording to them she broke the law.
IIRC there was a law preventing her from doing what she did without asking the higher ups.
The reason it all became a mess was because the person she did ask for permision was a scummy guy who pretended like it never happend and tried to frame her afterwards.
He did that for political reasons and/ or was bribed.
These guys are just thugs who want to strongarm the church for some reason.
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The writing of this arc is god awful and nonsensical. Like... I know this series hasn’t been selling on its writing anyways, but come on, it’s just getting worse.
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