Kimi no Okaasan wo Boku ni Kudasai! - Vol. 1 Ch. 4

[Mewples]

@1059212 Oh I guess it’s mainly the scolding, who even says bad boy or good boy? That’s more for animals

 

[1059212]

@Mewples Lol! Is that your first time seeing a mother scold there toddler my dude? She didn't say anything remotely unusual for a parent.

 

[Mewples]

@1059212 No I seen plenty, I helped raise a lot of my family’s kids and obviously came across many family’s in my lifetime, the only people to treat their kid like a dog like that were ......well I won’t elaborate but I will just define them as weird and not completely motherly in a good sense ...But I seen it used a lot on dogs and puppies.....I mean I don’t remember this series well but it will make it more odd if good boy was accompanied by pets I guess
The main line is more “don’t be naughty/spoilt” When addressing naughty children

 

[1059212]

@Mewples Are you american? Maybe it's a foreign thing because here nobody thinks twice about that sorta thing.

 

[Mewples]

@1059212 European, well maybe people I know are kinder. Oh well doesn’t really matter, I see it like that because speaking like that is more for addressing pets and livestock so that’s why it is strange to me. To me it’s like a mother treating her child less then human but if it’s normal to you then it’s normal. Just like in a country theirs some where nods or thumbs up is actually insulting to the point people are sickened by you, it’s just done differently

 

[MawMaw]

@DatOneGuy
for sure man, I thought we gonna get another wholesome couple-focused romance with kids gimmick but this one is a pleasant surprise for me.

 

[DatOneGuy]

@Mewples I think @1059212 is saying the cultural difference is in the meaning of the phrase rather than "being kinder". Like it's not as dehumanizing in Japanese as the English phrase.

Similar to how in both Japanese and Chinese, a lot of sentences talking about people is non-gendered, like in English: "He did that" vs in Chinese "That person did that". But in TL work, most translators will translate it to the gendered pronoun because "that person" is colder/distant compared to "he"/"she" when talking about someone you know. It's not about a kindness thing, it's just about the way languages don't exactly translate 1:1. (Side note: It's why my Chinese coworkers sometimes use he/she, regardless of the gender of the person they are talking about, lol.)

That being said, as far as I know: the phrase isn't dehumanizing in Japanese but I imagine it can be patronizing for adults. Kinda like "you're a good kid" but not AS much emphasis on "kid". Sigh, I dunno translating is hard work.

 

[Mewples]

@DatOneGuy
Well that’s a relief, it makes you wonder about the translation credibility in displaying the emotional intentions I suppose but I dropped this so it doesn’t matter much to me

 

[DatOneGuy]

@Mewples, really? I thought this one picks up after a few chapters and the characters have decent development and growth, it's cute.
I'm ok with the translation, some things just can't be translated into English well, it's just a natural results of the confluence of a different culture with a different language.

 

[Mewples]

@DatOneGuy Well English is needlessly complicated, we need many words to establish little while emotional value differs by how it is said, expressed And even furthering deeper into conceptual meaning I suppose...Additionally cultural aspects as you said as well as slang and few other unmentioned things I suppose? Words can even be empty...Though i guess that’s going too far into conjecture..
I ain’t got any Shred of intelligence So what do I know....Anyway I cannot find value in this work and I just think the mc is wasted on her....If she couldn’t accept him at his worse then why does she deserve him at his best?

 

[DatOneGuy]

@Mewples
I thought that the MC was clearly not ready to be a dad. It's made clear by the author that the MC hasn't even thought about her kid and just considers the kid an "acceptable obstacle".
He's not malicious by any means, he's just immature and clueless. I'm glad she didn't accept the MC's marriage proposal.

Edit: Also, I haaaateee (sorry) that phrase "If you can't accept me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best."
It is used as a defense of immaturity while defended as "standing by someone in pain". Immaturity is acceptable, having no desire to mature is not.

 

[Mewples]

@DatOneGuy
Ha Seriously? She flat out refused him and disrespected his circumstances when we find obviously it’s not as bad as she said it to be...
What is unacceptable is her closing the distance suffocatingly so he is forced to accept her terms like it’s normal.
It’s not.
The situation is this what she said sums up like this in normal terms with no glorification:
She refused him saying he is a worthless piece of shit who will never get a job or have a future.
She next day would not give him an ounce of personal space to come to terms with his heartbreak as she would stick to him like glue and even went on a call out with him together even though he was clearly uncomfortable with it....clearly
This limits his ability to get over her properly and still have feelings because is not able to get over it properly

Haaaa in normal circumstances that would not be romantic....as the story goes on it actually proves he was never worthy of those words but feels less then human like he never achieved something when that’s not the case....
The kid situation is simple ....she could of said something simple like he wouldn’t be good enough to be a father so she had to decline, not talk down his whole life...
Japanese culture is more harsh frankly, the things she said is that.....And that is fucked up....actually it’s worse but....haaa

Haaaah because you have little faith in people that is fine but reaping a ripe crop because it’s tempting doesn’t mean it’s any right to be yours...Everyone are various in issues and circumstances, it’s not a defensive for immaturity at all
Like not being interested In someone poor but they get money so now your ‘interested’ or ditching someone because they can’t cope for a death but then wanting to be there after their over it.
It the process of not being apart of something when you are needed or when you think little of someone as they are now.
Loving someone you go through the best and worst together, you don’t just ditch someone or not be apart of it because it’s not smooth sailing, frankly that’s true immaturity, disconsideration and heartlessness.
In some circumstances it is fair to not do so but regarding this, no.


That said just forget about it, I just clearly hate what she is and what she did because it’s manga it’s okay to be abusive women as long as you say I love you at the end or are look good in whatever category :/

 

[MyersMan69]

@Mewples just stop reading this if it's making you so angry. What do you get out of working yourself up into some kind of tantrum over imaginary people's interactions? Are you projecting or something?

 

[Mewples]

@MyersMan69 I already have months and months ago, the person I was speaking with brought it up out of the blue to engage in a conversation and I just complied. No it’s just I love getting immersed and the extent that human psychology and emotional displayed in works.
Stories can be a reflection on certain attitudes and feelings I suppose and what gives a character form I suppose....It just worries me because some people get so isolated that they gain their emotional development from stories so I guess I get heated in saying when something is wrong, but meh

 

[toru_okada]

Honestly, if the woman i really liked was a single mother, id rather not pursue a relationship. I fear im not mature enough to deal with her circumstances... Shits hella hard

 

[zeroframe]

>Tfw no mommy gf

 

[Katsuramuki]

Yes mummy

 

[alanmfruiz]

A mom fetish wow.

 

[Yousuckgoof]

I don’t know if I can call him a certified simp or just a simp

 

[KyuMazu]

lol mom