Kimi wa Yotsuba no Clover - Ch. 47 - The next goal.

[jannick1010]

"ill be gone by winter"

"your lie in April"

 

[Nov152000]

prepare for padding, this gonna be a long before the reveal 😈

 

[Saybah]

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[19801980]

👍🏻

 

[OtakuMan93]

Am I the only one who thought the discord add was funny?

 

[kiero13]

I'm scared. without the watch she can't go back if things go down. uichi is still a ticking time bomb, he is still as sensitive as before and can still relapse. just one bad thing and everything she did will be gone 😭

 

[nightmarez_2]

Bad ending incoming?
Things are not going to go so smoothly no matter how good they look now

That tragedy tag is glowing red rn bruh

 

[Malachite_Dragon]

Did I... miss something? Did the whole thing with his family being jackasses get resolved? I remember them trying to blame everything on him again, her trying to rewind time again, the watch not working, and then it was Backstory O'Clock.
E: I somehow did indeed manage to skip over an entire chapter. Huh.

 

[PHDInSillyism]

If you look closely, page 17 has a distinct hairstyle on one of the blurred panels. (Or this could be a stretch too far.)

 

[Devil2475]

Wait, is going to die??. No don't do that.

 

[ChaosMAX1268]

What do the graffiti on Eito's house translate to? I assume it is stuff like "trash" "bully" "shit" "sigma" but curious on the specifics.

 

[ChaosMAX1268]

btw here is my current draft on "wiki character profiles" to keep things up to date. May be working on a timeline too https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bxqo9zkrG2j7rQGBcNCozFaHNkSrSOnJmsB5Dt4LLfc/edit?usp=sharing
Spoilers for untranslated chapters are in black text for those who want to wait for the fan translation rather than "guess from the raws"

 

[BanzaiYuri]

Ngl I don't think yotsuha visiting them for info by herself is a very safe idea many things can go wrong

Legit, she may be a badass but we've seen enough of her attempts go to shit.

 

[Arkuses]

I really like Yotsuha’s character, story could have easily gone down the route of her becoming insanely possessive but she actually wants him to have relationships outside of theirs. That kind a selflessness and confidence makes you root for her.

Though that's probably because she sees herself as guilty for his death since she was the final nail on the coffin.
Plus, She likes him for the person he is that made a lot of friends.

 

[Kagimizu]

Wait, is going to die??. No don't do that.

Yotsuha isn't going (or isn't intending) to die. But her heart surgery kept her bedridden or otherwise immobile for what's implied to be the majority of that six month difference between her first visit and her subsequent rewinds. And she's learned from experience that once the seasons change her health rapidly deteriorates and she can't put off the surgery any further.

So she's going to be stuck in the hospital and unable to be by Uichi's side for roughly six months. She needs to make sure that Uichi is safe and able to live a happy, fulfilling life by that point.

 

[killxz]

I'm not sure of the logic here? Have Yotsuha drag him out of misery into a seemingly happy life in which he sees her as a savior and a pillar of his life. And once everything seems fine and happy, have her suddenly ripped from his life in the cruelest way? With all the trauma in his past and the fragile psyche he's regained, I really don't think that might go over so well..

she's going to get treatment by then

 

[Rossmage]

Okay, so I had a brainwave a few days ago.

There's been talk that Clover is also someone who is jumping through time, and some people (myself included) have had worries about this sort of plot development. But what if they've been doing it before Yotsuha even got started? It's been shown that Yotsuha has an absolute limit to how far back she can rewind. Well... what if the primary antagonist had the same ability? That they had imbued a timepiece with the ability to reverse through time, and it was also limited by the date they created the timepiece? (Possibly by the same method that Yotsuha used, by wishing on a 4-leaf clover so hard for happiness/revenge that it gave them the power to fulfill their wishes.)

What if that date was further in the past than Yotsuba's absolute limit? That would give them more time to build trust with various parties and antagonists (they established contact with Utako six years before current events). And considering how badly Uichi's world and psyche has been ruthlessly crushed since his childhood, wouldn't it make sense that Clover has also spent many years rewinding time to find the best sequence of events to fully crush their target? For starters, who would even have a grudge against Uichi unless it's someone who knew him? Which would imply that the other party is nearly the same age as Uichi and Yotsuha. And you're telling me that this criminal mastermind, without any help from time traveling, is able to:

1. Connect with Yae over social media and properly manipulate him to bully Uichi throughout high school? (Admittedly, making the connection is probably harder than the manipulation, given Yae's mindset, but how would Clover even know they could do it?)

2. Connect with Uichi's older sister over social media, find the right responses to entirely derail her motivation and become her primary source of advice, and also establish contacts with third parties that would bankrupt the family and corner Uichi? It's likely that this is what drove Uichi to despair in the original timeline, since Yotsuha said that this encounter happened earlier this time than in previous time loops. Clover probably had this route established while they were optimizing Uichi's fall in their own time loops, and they had to step up this route earlier due to Yotsuha's changes to their timeline.

Which leads me to my other thought: maybe Clover has also overused their own time traveling device, such that it won't rewind reliably any more, just like Yotsuha's. Maybe theirs has already stopped working, and these deviations to Yotsuha's timeline are Clover's knee-jerk reactions in having to implement their ultimate plans earlier than they anticipated? They definitely seemed wary, finding out that Uichi's childhood friend was able to derail all their plans, and that they were also fiddling with a timepiece. They're probably realizing, ahead of Yotsuha, that the one unraveling all their plans also has the ability to loop through time, and they're having to make changes to their plans on the fly since their own timepiece isn't working properly any more.

And as a final note, just to clarify how I think this can go through, Clover had one final piece of their plan they needed to set in place so they could utterly crush Uichi. They turned back time one last time, pulled off their perfect revenge plan, and this is the timeline that Yotsuha experiences when she makes her own wish to turn back time and fix things. However, Clover was unable to remember their perfect revenge occurring, because Yotsuha had already seen it and rewound time to counter it. It's only because it's taken so many time loops to even find evidence of Clover that Yotsuha has finally been able to try and counter them directly, causing Clover to alter their own plans.

I honestly hope that the final series of plots (assuming Clover could also time travel) involve both Yotsuha and Clover completely losing the ability to rewind time for themselves and having to execute their plans without any chances of optimization or resets. Stakes are now extra high for both sides, given all the time invested through the rewinds, and neither side wants to lose.

Of course, if Clover is just super smart, clever, and lucky, I'd be kind of okay with that, but the connections and pull they have as a (likely) high schooler is rather ridiculous without the same kind of time looping that Yotsuha can do.

TL;DR - Just one fan's musings about Clover's capabilities and the underlying plot development.

 

[ChaosMAX1268]

Okay, so I had a brainwave a few days ago.

There's been talk that Clover is also someone who is jumping through time, and some people (myself included) have had worries about this sort of plot development. But what if they've been doing it before Yotsuha even got started? It's been shown that Yotsuha has an absolute limit to how far back she can rewind. Well... what if the primary antagonist had the same ability? That they had imbued a timepiece with the ability to reverse through time, and it was also limited by the date they created the timepiece? (Possibly by the same method that Yotsuha used, by wishing on a 4-leaf clover so hard for happiness/revenge that it gave them the power to fulfill their wishes.)

What if that date was further in the past than Yotsuba's absolute limit? That would give them more time to build trust with various parties and antagonists (they established contact with Utako six years before current events). And considering how badly Uichi's world and psyche has been ruthlessly crushed since his childhood, wouldn't it make sense that Clover has also spent many years rewinding time to find the best sequence of events to fully crush their target? For starters, who would even have a grudge against Uichi unless it's someone who knew him? Which would imply that the other party is nearly the same age as Uichi and Yotsuha. And you're telling me that this criminal mastermind, without any help from time traveling, is able to:

1. Connect with Yae over social media and properly manipulate him to bully Uichi throughout high school? (Admittedly, making the connection is probably harder than the manipulation, given Yae's mindset, but how would Clover even know they could do it?)

2. Connect with Uichi's older sister over social media, find the right responses to entirely derail her motivation and become her primary source of advice, and also establish contacts with third parties that would bankrupt the family and corner Uichi? It's likely that this is what drove Uichi to despair in the original timeline, since Yotsuha said that this encounter happened earlier this time than in previous time loops. Clover probably had this route established while they were optimizing Uichi's fall in their own time loops, and they had to step up this route earlier due to Yotsuha's changes to their timeline.

Which leads me to my other thought: maybe Clover has also overused their own time traveling device, such that it won't rewind reliably any more, just like Yotsuha's. Maybe theirs has already stopped working, and these deviations to Yotsuha's timeline are Clover's knee-jerk reactions in having to implement their ultimate plans earlier than they anticipated? They definitely seemed wary, finding out that Uichi's childhood friend was able to derail all their plans, and that they were also fiddling with a timepiece. They're probably realizing, ahead of Yotsuha, that the one unraveling all their plans also has the ability to loop through time, and they're having to make changes to their plans on the fly since their own timepiece isn't working properly any more.

And as a final note, just to clarify how I think this can go through, Clover had one final piece of their plan they needed to set in place so they could utterly crush Uichi. They turned back time one last time, pulled off their perfect revenge plan, and this is the timeline that Yotsuha experiences when she makes her own wish to turn back time and fix things. However, Clover was unable to remember their perfect revenge occurring, because Yotsuha had already seen it and rewound time to counter it. It's only because it's taken so many time loops to even find evidence of Clover that Yotsuha has finally been able to try and counter them directly, causing Clover to alter their own plans.

I honestly hope that the final series of plots (assuming Clover could also time travel) involve both Yotsuha and Clover completely losing the ability to rewind time for themselves and having to execute their plans without any chances of optimization or resets. Stakes are now extra high for both sides, given all the time invested through the rewinds, and neither side wants to lose.

Of course, if Clover is just super smart, clever, and lucky, I'd be kind of okay with that, but the connections and pull they have as a (likely) high schooler is rather ridiculous without the same kind of time looping that Yotsuha can do.

TL;DR - Just one fan's musings about Clover's capabilities and the underlying plot development.

I think this adds to the theory there may have been an “original timeline” where Uichi didn’t suffer and Clover hated that and did rewinds trying to kill him, using information they have on Uichi and co in that “original timeline” and in rewinds to form their plan to break Uichi. I doubt the information they have on Uichi’s family and enemies could fully be gathered from just rewinding and stalking. It feels like they know how Uichi’s life would pan out.