Kimi wa Yotsuba no Clover - Ch. 64 - Do we look alike?

[Kaito57]

Just another chapter adding confusion to this plot !!

 

[enter51]

Now it's Uichi's turn to help her

 

[MrTurtleMan]

As much as I said the previous chapter doesn't condemn him, this chapter doesn't exonerate him either

Got into this thrilling series not too long ago, and this is my theory for the Clover mastermind.

First, after much assessment it won't be an alternate future Yotsuha or Uichi, tempting as it is. This is because of the mechanism behind this series' time travel: it's the mind, the consciousness that travels back, not the body.

Finally someone who gets it, I've been telling people it isn't possible to be an alternate version of Yotsuha or Uichi to literally be told that they might have come via a different mechanism. Sure it's possible but that would just be terrible writing.

Your assumption that it is Futaba has flaws, 1 is that she hasn't reappeared since that flashback and even before then she hadn't been there since the watch was given over. There might have been one more appearance that I forgot but this is all many chapters ago meaning it would be a terrible Checkov's gun regardless. Checkov's gun only works if you remind the audience it's there.

The 2nd problem is that we don't know what motives there are. Almost everyone assumes time travel is involved but there is no proof either way that clover is a time traveller. There isn't even any proof that there is a motive that people would accept as a decent motive.

Ultimately your entire motive section could be removed and it would be just as coherent.

Finally using the names as proof is real iffy. I know the Japanese like to use poetic language in their fiction but that's like a serial killer saying he killed people because he's called Steve. Also choosing a nickname based on your real name is terrible opsec.

 

[uffern]

okay everyone is saying red herring but, how is nobody talking about the clover mark he has on his neck? What if it's a double bait? Making you think that its too obvious so that you will think otherwise

 

[GalladeGuy]

Maybe the real red herrings were the friends we made along the way.

 

[2662]

what if the brother.. is the dad!!

Ah hell nah but i dont think we need to worry because then yotsuha would prob share their eyes

 

[Arkuses]

I remember a commenter talking about it could being potentially the father rather than the brother.
But now it feels like that's the case

 

[NotoriousB0B]

How much older is the brother? no way he's the father right?

 

[Bananimal]

Traumatized siblings. Someone, please save the brother too

I feel so bad for being suspicious of him, he's always cared for his sister even if he seems emotionless. He gave her good advice about not killing, and even goes along with her plans. I hope he finds peace

 

[drepurp]

So if its not the brother then, who is the "she" could "she" be the one who pushed uchi to off himself? I know yotsuha said she did it, but did she really do it?

 

[ZzombieNoel]

Still holding on to hope that the brother is just a (sort of) chill dude

 

[Bananimal]

How much older is the brother? no way he's the father right?

Ch.45, Yotsuha says he's only six years older than her. That's not old enough to produce children (thank goddddd)

 

[gamria]

Your assumption that it is Futaba has flaws, 1 is that she hasn't reappeared since that flashback and even before then she hadn't been there since the watch was given over. There might have been one more appearance that I forgot but this is all many chapters ago meaning it would be a terrible Checkov's gun regardless. Checkov's gun only works if you remind the audience it's there.

If by "that flashback" you're referring to Yotsuha's flashback of her journey thus far, then please see below for Fuu-chan's appearances following Ch 43

Ch 49

https://imgur.com/7HJ3UV2

Ch 61

https://imgur.com/xh1znF3

The 2nd problem is that we don't know what motives there are. Almost everyone assumes time travel is involved but there is no proof either way that clover is a time traveller. There isn't even any proof that there is a motive that people would accept as a decent motive.

Ultimately your entire motive section could be removed and it would be just as coherent.

I'm aware that at this stage, my theory is based on a series of assumption and still to circumstantial, lacking in hard proof.

But based on Ch 52, Clover seems to have foreknowledge of Yotsuha's time-rewinding powers, and it's only in this loop that they figured out the source is her wristwatch. Seldom does one believe something so supernatural so quickly, unless they've reason to believe it beyond Yotsuha countering them so deftly. Reason like Clover experiencing time travel for themselves.

Same goes for Clover's fast responses when Yotsuha was trying to fix Utako. In particular, according to Yotsuha, Utako also got scammed by Tooya in her previous loop albeit gradually so. This time not only was Tooya found quickly, Utako also managed to be seduced so quickly too... possibly because Clover has knowledge from the previous loop on what pushes her buttons and thus can mess her up quicker.

I admit my motive is also circumstantial, but I had to provide a rationale on how Fuu-chan being Clover could make sense.

Finally using the names as proof is real iffy. I know the Japanese like to use poetic language in their fiction but that's like a serial killer saying he killed people because he's called Steve. Also choosing a nickname based on your real name is terrible opsec.

Me bringing up the names isn't meant to be proof, but Fuu-chan's real name being obscured for so long feels like would carry some significance. "Two" is probably reserved for her for some reason.

"Fuu-chan" doesn't even incorporate opsec, it's just a Yotsuha-given childhood nickname from when they were still in elementary. "Clover" would be the actual opsec.

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Although, this is another thing I want to bring up: in their contacts with Yae, Utako and Rikka, the mastermind didn't have to stick with the same Clover icon as their alias, instead of something different each time. Especially with Rikka, the mastermind knows Yotsuha is aware of their presence and still with the hand-delivered letter they insist on the Clover icon instead of using some other alias.

Even at the risk of being caught on, they insist on the "Clover" alias, why? Definitely feels sentimental rather than logical.

 

[Gilthwixt]

I'm partly leaning towards Clover not being someone as obvious as her brother, the bullied dude, resurrected evil mom or even hackergal.

Bet it's going to be some batshit insane thing. Maybe an alternate-timeline doomer Yotsuha, or a time traveling descendant of the main couple from the post apocalypse, or just an evil AI / ChatGPT-enabled nonsense.

But granted I might've possibly consumed too much bad fiction, and it's just going to be a character that hasn't even been introduced.

Until now my money has been on Clover being either a future Uichi who wants Yotsuha to live a healthy life without him or their child who wishes they were never even born.

But if they're bringing the Dad into the picture as a possible big bad I might have to reconsider.

 

[scalhotrod]

for some reason, i feel like Yotsuha is like a child of experiment or something, and even her step-brother strictly forbids Yotsuha from knowing the truth

thank you for translating

What if her dad was Yuuichi’s dad?

 

[danbellucci]

As the ancient Hawaiians used to say, when your girl lies to you... it's time for a dicking!

 

[azeramoon]

How much older is the brother? no way he's the father right?

She said he is 6 years older than her....... Personally I think the father was some kind of a sadist with a special power but now he's Dead and this clover is trying to take revenge on his family first by arranging the car accident that killed the mother and now by driving the only person youtsuba cares about to his deat

 

[AzraelPrimal]

I wonder if we are entering a reversal phase now. Instead of Yotsuha trying to save Uichi, it's now his turn to help her deal with her issues.

 

[Haze123553]

Ngl he seemed pretty chill pro just has ptsd himself and actually cares for her seemingly

 

[RioAl]

Looks like Uichi KNEW she hides something. It's your turn to save her Uichi 🔥