Kotei no Sakaime. - Oneshot

[MangaDex]

 

[BookQueen]

Living is a solid long term investment. Give it a try

 

[Chizan]

Sure there shouldn't be a tragedy tag?

 

[Slogye]

what the fuck did i just read

 

[a_singular_strike]

Thanks for the oneshot.

Perhaps one can say whatever they want in death, but it would be words without weight and meaning.

 

[Kaarme]

So, all his life he kept telling everyone that he wants to die, waiting for someone to answer that it's okay. He lived surrounded by only friendly people if nobody ever told him to just go ahead and do it.

 

[darekpawlo]

What "message" is this even trying to tell? That when your schizo delusion tells you it's okay to kill yourself you should do it?

 

[BCS]

Living is a solid long term investment. Give it a try

What's the return?

 

[Skullkrusher]

What "message" is this even trying to tell? That when your schizo delusion tells you it's okay to kill yourself you should do it?

The kid is asking for help and saying he wants to die, but nobody ever gives him a reason why he SHOULDN'T, just empty forced-positive platitudes, jokes, or threats to drug him back to normality at a hospital. Nobody is reaching the root of why he feels that way, they're just repeating what they're 'supposed' to say. He is inconveniencing them with undesirable thoughts. Then he sees the ghost, and she finally gives him a reason of why he SHOULD. She was the only one that answered his question and gave him a choice. He weighs the options - no reasons given not to die, and a few reasons to die, and finally decides to follow the only person who listened to him, and die.

It's similar to a lot of suicides - people say "why didn't they ask for help" but they did, the others just didn't listen.

 

[donlanthirion]

What's the return?

Suffering. Lots of suffering. But if you are able to get rich, you can transfer the worst part of it to poor, marginalized people who won't be heard, anyway.

What "message" is this even trying to tell? That when your schizo delusion tells you it's okay to kill yourself you should do it?

I mostly agree with @Skullkrusher, but I would also add he shut down people who offered help -- the school nurse, in this case. Now, I accept the way the nurse spoke to him sounded more like "this is not a me-problem, and I will escalate to institutional intervention". In my opinion, the nurse is not wrong in her assessment, but she handled it poorly. This is just to say that while most people will respond with nothing more than platitudes, one must be willing to accept help when it's given. Though that easier said than done.

 

[scrangos]

Thanks for the oneshot.

Perhaps one can say whatever they want in death, but it would be words without weight and meaning.

The dead person's words seemed to have plenty of weight in this one

 

[donlanthirion]

The dead person's words seemed to have plenty of weight in this one

Well, she only asked him to accompany her and then the story ended, so we don't know what happened. It's 2025 and the cynicism of our time lead us to believe he chose the same ending as her. But... You are allowed to imagine she is like one of three ghosts of A Christmas Carol, and he will enter a journey of reflection and self-discovery.

Now, as much as I'd like this narrative, I also have to face reality...

What "message" is this even trying to tell? That when your schizo delusion tells you it's okay to kill yourself you should do it?

... which means that, in second thought, there is no deep message. The work might as well be just a reflection of its time, where we see an increase in chronically absent kids in schools and in youth suicide. Something like "look, this happens as quietly as in this story".

Anyway, take care of yourselves, folks!

 

[faytfinx]

There's nothing wrong with feeling depressed, sad, or the like. It's what you do with these feeling and emotions that are important.

I don't agree with the potential glorification of suicide but I want to empathize with the lack of correct support and resources the character needed.

Spoiler

Not the transparent girl saying she caused trouble for many — that's an understatement. Girlie, you caused grief.

 

[FloorRoof]

What "message" is this even trying to tell? That when your schizo delusion tells you it's okay to kill yourself you should do it?

Sure sounds pro-suicide to me. The kid had only one request on his mind and seemed upset that nobody would give him a go-ahead.

 

[EchoGirl]

Quite the first page

So, all his life he kept telling everyone that he wants to die, waiting for someone to answer that it's okay. He lived surrounded by only friendly people if nobody ever told him to just go ahead and do it.

I mean unless ur a sociopath or hate the person/some kinda online troll, most ppl wouldn't say "just die then" even if suicide might be 'accepted' in JP

tho feels like he should try to get some therapy or something but i guess that and antidepressants don't always work

 

[UdenEmpati]

Quite the first page



I mean unless ur a sociopath or hate the person/some kinda online troll, most ppl wouldn't say "just die then" even if suicide might be 'accepted' in JP

tho feels like he should try to get some therapy or something but i guess that and antidepressants don't always work

would also depend on how robust the mental health system of Japan is.

More generally, "therapy and meds" is a hugely vague blanket statement that, at times, is used as a catch-all for a myriad of problems that can only really be solved on an individualistic level, with lots of time and effort involved by multiple parties.
That includes financial costs on top of the persistent and prevailing social stigmas in many cultures and societies when it comes to "deviating from the norm", illustrated right here in this one-shot. For many, many people, the hurdles to getting adequate help, even when they want to, can be insurmountable because of how little mental health is prioritized on a global scale in the face of the economy, "maintaining appearances", and the general discomfort that being "not 'normal'" is perceived to impose on others.

And all of that is on the back of the one carrying the weight of those thoughts and emotions, even getting to the point of accepting help.
Which, if they're fed empty platitudes and deferred suggestions of "go to these people instead", over and over and over?

I'm not saying they're correct in not seeking help, but.
It's understandable.

 

[Kaarme]

Quite the first page



I mean unless ur a sociopath or hate the person/some kinda online troll, most ppl wouldn't say "just die then" even if suicide might be 'accepted' in JP

tho feels like he should try to get some therapy or something but i guess that and antidepressants don't always work

Aye, but my point was that despite only ever having friendly people around him, he still keeps saying he wants to die. I reckon most of us have known nasty people who would indeed answer "just die then" if you had actually told them you'd like to die. But of course you would never say that to them. The boy in this story seemed to have told that to a whole lot of people, many of them not exactly his closest friends or relatives.

 

[EchoGirl]

would also depend on how robust the mental health system of Japan is.

More generally, "therapy and meds" is a hugely vague blanket statement that, at times, is used as a catch-all for a myriad of problems that can only really be solved on an individualistic level, with lots of time and effort involved by multiple parties.
That includes financial costs on top of the persistent and prevailing social stigmas in many cultures and societies when it comes to "deviating from the norm", illustrated right here in this one-shot. For many, many people, the hurdles to getting adequate help, even when they want to, can be insurmountable because of how little mental health is prioritized on a global scale in the face of the economy, "maintaining appearances", and the general discomfort that being "not 'normal'" is perceived to impose on others.

Yeah i've also heard that JP /asia also looks down on therapy as well, i guess it'd be diff/'understandable'/more pity if he was actually bullied or abused as opposed to seemingly ' no reason', interesting he saw some angel?/ghost tho as opposed to finding some kinda suicide group/cult or whatever bc i have seen some manga where someone went to a suicide group/went to the middle of nowhere to die alone , wonder how the JP side of the audience would react, idk if it comes off as preachy but not like there's any disclaimer like "This is fiction, i do not condone the actions" or so to where the author wouldn't come off as 'approving' of how the ending goes

 

[Someonewy]

What "message" is this even trying to tell? That when your schizo delusion tells you it's okay to kill yourself you should do it?

Japanese people being Japanese

 

[Someonewy]

why he SHOULDN'T, just empty forced-positive platitudes

Isn’t being loved by your close ones enough of a reason to live ?