"Kouryakubon" wo Kushi Suru Saikyou no Mahoutsukai - Vol. 4 Ch. 16

[darekpawlo]

@TheFlash080 What is this blasphemy?! You willingly want to have harem in any manga?? You goddamn heretic

 

[twinklecake]

@darekpawlo This manga already hit maximum trash levels with that tentacle shit, so even if a genre that results in trashiness 99.98% of the time like harem is inserted, it would do pretty much zero harm here.

 

[AFresherPerspective]

For a second I confused their band name as the "Hero Loyalist Party" as in they were loyal to Eugene.

Thank god I was wrong

 

[Kuroiikawa]

Bro, does the author even know how long 50,000 years is? I almost want to blame this on a mistranslation because 50,000 years ago we were barely creating hunter-gatherer villages, much less civilizations. If this country/culture has existed for 50,000 years and they aren't flying to the moon on giant mecha robot dragons then what the fuck have they been doing. It takes like 30 seconds of research to find an appropriate "long time" number for when this cataclysmic event occurred and the author can't even be bothered to do that.

 

[Rukja]

his live must be so boring
he is a spoiler for this whole world

 

[Mizumachi]

@Rukja
Spoiler or not, would you pass up on reading a book that knows everything? You can have the ideal life with something like that if you use it right.

 

[TheFlash080]

@darekpawlo Lol I can't help it harems usually make manga 10x funnier 🤣

 

[Renan_Walheim]

HUEG CHOCOLATO FUNBAGS

 

[TNT261]

So he’s in charge of the group but went out his way to ask the mc to take care of them? He took it back when the Princess said that was rude, but what if the MC just destroyed them out of kindness? I mean, in that situation if I was the MC and the guy that saved me a lot of trouble just mentioned it, I’d go ahead and take care of the issue with my op super powers.

@Personally? Yeah. 100%. Life is boring enough without already knowing everything that’s going to happen. I’d love to go out and discover these mysteries on my own, but not just be outright told them. My favorite show of all time is Doctor Who for this exact reason. Its not about the Doctor just “knowing” or “reading” about all this information, but him having experienced and traveled there himself. There was even an episode when he could have read about his future and was like “nah. That’d be boring”. Plus instantly knowing everything would just make me feel so feeble and small; I want to see it and experience it to ask questions and go places (in a much better learning experience than what education has turned into in the contemporary world). For me, it’d be like talking to every single deity in every single worship Vs. reading a book about that experience. For me at least a lot of the wonder in life is in all the questions surrounding just everything. I’d be even more bored than I already am if those questions went from unattainable truth to “just read this book”. On that note I would love to travel around in a TARDIS experiencing and learning everything.

 

[stilgar]

Calling it now, the princess either has a skill or a magical item that lets her split into two people

 

[Vincentius]

@Kuroiikawa As great as magic is, it also tends to cause things to stagnate pretty hard. Think of all the things humanity has invented to make our lives easier; now imagine what would happen if we'd had magic instead. We'd likely be stuck in a pseudo-medieval era because magic probably would have solved the majority of our problems and leaving us no need to innovate new technologies the way we have.

 

[Kuroiikawa]

@Vincentius Are you seriously making a claim saying that magic would cause literal human civilization to stagnate because it makes life "too easy"? That's like saying humanity would have stopped progressing after the industrial revolution because life became so much easier than before. Magic wouldn't cause the entire world to become a heterogenous Luddite wonderland where we just sit around with our thumbs up our asses because we can make fire by snapping. People innovate and create no matter the situation because that's literally how civilization works.

To give a general scale of how long ago 50,000 years is, the earliest civilizations were understood to have started at around 10,000 BCE (Mesopotamia, Ancient Egypt, Ancient China, etc.). From that point up until now, humanity has spread out across the world, been to moon, dove to the deepest part of the ocean, created technologies beyond the comprehensions of the very first humans, all in the span of around 12,000 years. Are you saying that having the ability to use magic, as nebulous of a term as that is, would put us in a pseudo-medieval society for almost five times the length of human civiilization? Because that is completely and absolutely bonkers.

 

[tuatara1]

If the emperor's line has managed to maintain the remnants of that country for fifty thousand years after the initial collapse, some haughtiness and suspicion of outaiders seems justified.

If Magnus had fulfilled the prince's request to attack the thieves he controls, how would the prince have played that to his advantage?

 

[LunaDW]

How refreshing that we have a super powered MC that doesn't want to eff every thing with boobs.

 

[Salfaro]

Can't believe the MC just read ahead 5 chapters and told us the enemy leader plot twist.

 

[Wolfwhistler]

@Salfaro After seeing how that king acted, MC will probably view the loyalists as the good guys.

 

[Vincentius]

@Kuroiikawa You seem to be laboring under the delusion that magic is equivalent to technology, which it very much is not. Imagine this: from the very beginnings, all the way back to when humanity was a group of hunters and gatherers, people had the ability to shoot fireballs out of their hands which, for the sake of argument, would act like rifle rounds. That one change would negate the need for the bow and arrow, a simple piece of technology that has been used for hunting and war since almost as long as there've been humans. Without the bow and the laborious training required to master one, there'd be no need to develop a crossbow; without the crossbow, there'd be no developing the musket, and without the musket, you don't have firearms.

Humans come up with new technologies to make their lives easier. Weather magic, or even just magic that could create water from nothing, would render most forms of irrigation technology obsolete. Ice magic would easily replace pretty much every form of food preservation. Magic used to manipulate stone and metal would likely replace most forms of construction technology. Hell, just being able to create or conjure the exact type of ore or alloy you want for something would render most smelting technology obsolete. Healing magic that could cure patients of disease or wounds or even regrow limbs would instantly negate the need to develop pretty much the entirety of the medical field.

Any kind of magic that can transmit messages over long distances supersedes the need for the radio or telephone and, depending on how said magic is structured, would take the place of television and the internet, as it could also replicate those things.

If every facet of modern technology could be perfectly replicated by magic as early as humanity's first nascent tribes and could be done by anybody, who would feel the need to try to come up with said technology?

Though, of course, therein lies the other side of the coin: "by anybody". If magic is even slightly exclusive, to the point where only, say, 30% of people can use it (or only they can use more advanced forms of it), you instantly have the makings of a magocracy that would 100% suppress any form of technology that doesn't rely on magic, because if everybody can do what only they, the privileged few can, they immediately lose their cushy lives.

So, no, having magic that could easily replicate all modern technology wouldn't lead to some perfect utopia, but it would stymie creativity. Trying to come up with a mundane solution to a problem that's already been solved by magic is just a case of trying to reinvent the wheel: there's no point. Unless a large enough percentage of the population is absolutely without magic of their own.

 

[gigabarto]

@twinklecake lol you salty boy

 

[twinklecake]

@Vincentius You seem to be operating under quite a few assumptions on the specific workings of magic there, buddy. There are no laws of physics we can freely and completely exploit for our advantage (i.e. technology) without generations of trial and error, so why would this not apply to magic if it was part of physics as well? Obviously people don't fall out of their mothers' cunts slinging fireballs so there's a technique that needs to be developed.

@gigabarto Feel free to try to convince me that this is high culture. I could use a laugh.

 

[Vincentius]

@twinklecake Many forms of magic completely ignore the laws of physics, though. Mana is often depicted as the basic fuel for magic and circumvents many of the laws of physics as we understand them. In order to create a fire, the simplest method is to create a spark or to generate enough heat to reach something's flash point and then provide the nascent fire enough fuel (oxygen) to grow in size; magic circumvents those steps and creates a fully formed fire purely through the use of mana.

The way mana is often depicted is very akin to a muscle: it's quite weak in younger children, but can be strengthened through basic training, the same way you can strengthen your muscles through weight lifting or increase your book knowledge by studying. That implies that it operates under semi-cohesive laws, but the idea that they're the same as the laws of physics doesn't really work with everything magic is often depicted as being capable of achieving.