Kuso Onna ni Sachiare - Ch. 75

[UdenEmpati]

huh now that im thinking about it, if she fell in love with lemon in Sunao's body, doesn't that make this a transgender romance?

I think it's still technically just body-swapping (I think there's an actual genre tag on some sites for that, but it might be wrapped up/incorporated under something else).

But mostly because transgenderism, as far as I'm aware, is a self-identity thing, and not based on things like sexual/romantic attraction, much less from an outside party. (S'why transwomen can be straight or gay or bi or whatever; separate axis of identity.)

If Sunao and/or Lemon preferred being in the other's body more than their own, then I guess that conversation could be had, but I don't recall any specific indication of that. And at that point, Kogahara's attraction still wouldn't be a factor in determining it, as far as I can figure.

That aside - if it does turn out that Kogahara fell in love with Lemon-in-Sunao's-Body specifically, then that just means she's attracted to the ...I guess "Entity" that is Lemon. IIRC she's shown no indication of sexual desire, let alone preference, up to this point - so it's not even a given, necessarily, that she's into masc over femme in general, so it being Sunao's body wouldn't (necessarily) matter at that point. (What do they call that...Demi-identity? Into a specific person first and foremost, not their presented biology?)

I dunno I might be too deep in the weeds over it at this point.

 

[Firemorfox]

I DONT CARE WHICH IT IS
Sunao x Kogahara, Lemon x Sunao, Lemon x Kogahara

JUST DO ONE OF EM DAMN IT

 

[Firemorfox]

Her feelings were brewing long before but that was when things started to come together.

For attentive readers not trying to make every interaction of two female characters something to coom to, the ground work was laid in the lead up to the date that was just the moment she became aware that she had caught feelings.

However, for Kogahara who is simply shy and inexperienced in love and not some sort of A-label, this is very likely to be used as a reason for not addressing her internal dilemma and trying to sort her feelings, and instead as a reason to stomp her feelings back into the box, stay out of lemon's way, and avoid the messy problem of how she feels.
You know, until she realizes it won't work and things boil to a crisis point.


You act like she has a choice.
After all the shit she put Sunao through, turning bi for Kogahara is the LEAST she could do to make it up for it.
(lets just go right ahead and put a nice, clear /s on that because I have a feeling that's probably someone's unironic position)

...Lemon becoming bi?
step one: liking Sunao in her body
step two: liking Sunao regardless of body
step three: liking Kogahara
yeah i think i agree, Lemon's far from step 3

 

[Firemorfox]

my one hope for this manga is kogahara realizing shes lowkey in love with lemon in sunao's body and suzuka realizing hes lowkey in love with sunao in lemon's body. i need this.

ah, another "true love triangle" enjoyer

 

[MostlyHumanTLs]

Targeted bullying + big self esteem issues + being 14 years old.

She was being bullied due to being too nice(people thought she was being fake/egotistical/etc) and she didnt know how to handle the gossip/rumors/bullying and in a moment of weakness basically admitted the fake rumors were true due to thinking if they broke up the bullying would stop and they could just go back to being friends(even though she did enjoy being with him).

The first chapters showing of what happened was not how it actually went down exactly; Sunao having a nightmare-ized version of it. He knew it was probably fake right away but overtime he gaslight himself over years into thinking was true due to never knowing the truth.

Its "stupid" but they were literally 14 at the time. Neither knew how to do anything.

First of all, thanks for giving me an actual answer to my request for spoilers.

That's actually not as retarded as I thought it'd be. I myself have a few childhood memories that got distorted as I aged. Memories where I forgot the actual event but can still remember how it made me feel. Which leaves me trying to piece together the actual memory, but ending up feeling like I'm seeing an artist's interpretation of the event. So I can see how Sunao got there.

As for Lemon, it just sounds like a typical weak-minded teen making misguided decisions. I can't empathise, but I understand.

Now, these are just my thoughts on the impression your spoiler gave me, so I'll most likely have a different opinion when I actually see what happens in the story. But this is enough to form a basic opinion.

I just think this weird back and forth is, well, weird.

Seems a waste of time, they prob wont read it anyways so just let them know and let them move on. Or if telling them does make them read it then bam, now they can go read it.

And yeah, seems worth reading, from what I skimmed in the free chapters and your comment. Though nowadays I don't start reading ongoing series, so I'll just add it to my list of "waiting to be completed".

Ah fuck it, somebody else spoonfed this entitled bastard

I was asking a specific person for spoilers, if you haven't noticed. You barged in with your useless opinion on your own.

By the way, it's "spoon-feed", you retard. Very brave of you not to tag me, too.

 

[UdenEmpati]

ah, another "true love triangle" enjoyer

The romcom Penrose Triangle

 

[Otiz]

That aside - if it does turn out that Kogahara fell in love with Lemon-in-Sunao's-Body specifically, then that just means she's attracted to the ...I guess "Entity" that is Lemon. IIRC she's shown no indication of sexual desire, let alone preference, up to this point - so it's not even a given, necessarily, that she's into masc over femme in general, so it being Sunao's body wouldn't (necessarily) matter at that point. (What do they call that...Demi-identity? Into a specific person first and foremost, not their presented biology?)

I dunno I might be too deep in the weeds over it at this point.

Within the story its Kogahara doing the analysis, and her take on it is not likely to be so objective or rooted in gender theory. Hence she may conclude that she fell in love with Lemon's mind/soul and the host body ought to be irrelevant. Her lack of apparent sexual desire in spite of her having romantic feelings is probably notable, although she may realise that someone seeming masculine is still important for her even if its not about the body itself.

Kogahara (and Lemon) are sort of "social outsiders" in this story and don't seem to think about relationships in the way most other people do. There's a multitude of conclusions Kogahara could reach as a result of that outsider status, and we can't really predict which one it will be aside from knowing it'll be something that advances the story.

 

[fight2live]

what's with MangaDex suddenly using the japanese title? made me almost missed reading this

 

[NutzYaboku77]

Looks like it, or at least she's going to end up very confused about her sexuality now.


Pretty much, yes. Kogahara is inexperienced with love so I don't think she really has an easy way to understand what she's now feeling. She might think its shallow to fall for someone in a male body whilst believing they're a man, but not fall for them after knowing the person inside was a woman. It doesn't necessarily mean she'll suddenly transfer her feeling to Lemon but I think she'll feel very uncertain for a while about who she really likes.

Experienced or not, your love interest switching bodies with the same sex ain't commonplace. Anyone can get confused.

 

[UdenEmpati]

Experienced or not, your love interest switching bodies with the same sex ain't commonplace. Anyone can get confused.

Honestly the bodyswapping feels like it's just setting Kogahara up for failure, and I mean in general, not just in terms of the ongoing love triangle.

She's got enough on her plate without having to parse through her calendar trying to remember who was who on what day she felt her heart skip a beat.

 

[Dylan0223]

We've already had Sunao's best friend have some kind of feelings for Sunao-Lemon AND kind of Lemon, now Kogahara realizes she has feelings for Lemon-Sunao AND Sunao. Lemon has feelings for Sunao, Sunao has feelings for Lemon AND Kogahara.
What kind of love-polyhedron have we become??

 

[mgRdr]

I was asking a specific person for spoilers, if you haven't noticed. You barged in with your useless opinion on your own.

If you wanted a specific person to answer you, you should've kept it to the DMs, doubly so if you didn't want any useless opinions, of which you've posted paragraphs of your own in this thread.

By the way, it's "spoon-feed", you retard.

It's "spoon-fed", you dyslexic grammar untermensch.

Very brave of you not to tag me, too.

The comment initially contained something about you needing to learn some fucking manners if you want to get something from others, with you tagged and all, but it got obsolete within minutes of being posted as a kind soul decided to overlook your lack of manners and give you the answer, so in abscence of a way to delete a comment on MangaDex forums, I replaced its content with the next best thing. Which is to call you an entitled bastard. Which you very much are. Sorry if any of this offended you.

 

[DanCulturedMan]

I'm a gonna tag in these guys just to piss them off cause I know they hate this type of plot:
@eviljackspicer @MostlyHumanTLs @LordTartaros @DanCulturedMan @NeloDante @Mute2732

...what did I do...? Did I wrong someone or what...? I barely talk exactly because of this sort of thing...guess I should just keep silent from now on? I don't know anymore...sorry if I ever personally upset you I guess...

 

[LordTartaros]

I'm a gonna tag in these guys just to piss them off cause I know they hate this type of plot:
@eviljackspicer @MostlyHumanTLs @LordTartaros @DanCulturedMan @NeloDante @Mute2732

Well well well, I’ve been summoned and I’m in fact reading the manga. I shall not fall for this lowly bait and I declare this innocent bodyswap story free of transgender BS!

Natsumi wont magically grow feelings for Lemon but will realize that her budding feelings for Sunao had no ground since it was Lemon she got along with. She had no attraction to Lemon despite her having the same emotional compatibility as Lemon in Sunao’s body at the movies. It shows that her feelings only turned romantic because it was a guy acting that way with her. She’s 100% straight (I hope I wont regret these words later).

 

[LordTartaros]

...what did I do...? Did I wrong someone or what...? I barely talk exactly because of this sort of thing...guess I should just keep silent from now on? I don't know anymore...sorry if I ever personally upset you I guess...

Probably not something you said, he’s the type of guy to write down the tags of people who have reacted to his comments by a strike or hitting him with a naughty stick.

 

[MostlyHumanTLs]

If you wanted a specific person to answer you, you should've kept it to the DMs, doubly so if you didn't want any useless opinions, of which you've posted paragraphs of your own in this thread.

I was summoned to a public forum, I answered on the place I was summoned to.

It's "spoon-fed", you dyslexic grammar untermensch.

The comment initially contained something about you needing to learn some fucking manners if you want to get something from others, with you tagged and all, but it got obsolete within minutes of being posted as a kind soul decided to overlook your lack of manners and give you the answer, so in abscence of a way to delete a comment on MangaDex forums, I replaced its content with the next best thing. Which is to call you an entitled bastard. Which you very much are. Sorry if any of this offended you.

Your edited comment without that context reads like you're asking someone else to answer me since you can't be bothered. Which is why I corrected it from simple past tense to the imperative.

Next time, just leave the original comment and add a new paragraph starting with "Edit: ..." to avoid confusion.

Also, it's "absence", you clinically-proven waste of neurons.

 

[MostlyHumanTLs]

Probably not something you said, he’s the type of guy to write down the tags of people who have reacted to his comments by a strike or hitting him with a naughty stick.

Pretty sure I got summoned for my anti-genital-mutilation and anti-sterilisation hot takes.

 

[mgRdr]

I was summoned to a public forum

And how does that prevent you from reaching out to the person in the DMs if you're so pissy about people on a public forum not giving you the answers you demand?

Your edited comment without that context reads

"spoonfed". If you're dyslexic, don't bother with grammar nazi shit, even if you feel you don't have much else to say.

like you're asking someone else to answer me since you can't be bothered

Please don't project your lack of manners onto the others.

 

[AccForManga]

...I have to wonder why someone would summon these transphobes in the first place.

Ignoring their existence would have been the better option.

 

[MostlyHumanTLs]

And how does that prevent you from reaching out to the person in the DMs if you're so pissy about people on a public forum not giving you the answers you demand?

"spoonfed". If you're dyslexic, don't bother with grammar nazi shit, even if you feel you don't have much else to say.

Please don't project your lack of manners onto the others.

Oh. I was joking, but you're literally retarded. My condolences.