Kuu Neru Futari Sumu Futari - Vol. 2 Ch. 9 - Family Trial
- Thread starter MangaDex
- Start date
@pwanch How exactly did he force her to like kids what??? She came to like them, on her own, after actually spending a little time with them.
God forbid an uncle to want to spend one night watching over his niece and nephew while helping his little sister out what a backhanded and honestly selfish method imagine caring about family he's horrible
God forbid an uncle to want to spend one night watching over his niece and nephew while helping his little sister out what a backhanded and honestly selfish method imagine caring about family he's horrible
Group Leader
- Joined
- Jun 2, 2019
- Messages
- 4,267
@icekatze To be fair, for the longest time, people HAD to want kids. Not only would kids have a higher chance of dying in the past, but the limits for how long a female would be pregnant would be lower.
It's only recently that there is the luxury of time. If you don't want kids, you have time even if you change your mind.
On the other hand, in the past, if you didn't want kids but changed your mind later, it might be too late.
Plus, there is the factor that our bodies are hardwired to procreate. I mean, we like sex, the very act of trying to make children. It's one of our natural functions as a species.
It's only recently that there is the luxury of time. If you don't want kids, you have time even if you change your mind.
On the other hand, in the past, if you didn't want kids but changed your mind later, it might be too late.
Plus, there is the factor that our bodies are hardwired to procreate. I mean, we like sex, the very act of trying to make children. It's one of our natural functions as a species.
Dex-chan lover
- Joined
- Oct 23, 2019
- Messages
- 2,050
@deathmailrock
To be fair, the reindeer of St. Matthew Island also were hardwired to procreate. If every couple has four children and the population doubles, we might be able to feed 15 billion people, but it'll be a lot less severe if we didn't have to. People who gnash their teeth over 3% annual growth rates might want to read the parable of grains of rice on a chess board.
Rather than saying "not having kids is a luxury of time," a lot of people aren't having kids because children themselves are the luxury. Japan especially is already starting to feel what it's like to Stand on Zanzibar.
I'd like to applaud all the people who realize that they wouldn't make good parents and choose not to have children, as opposed to the very real person I know who (as an extreme example) keeps getting their children taken away by CPS and still continues to have more.
To be fair, the reindeer of St. Matthew Island also were hardwired to procreate. If every couple has four children and the population doubles, we might be able to feed 15 billion people, but it'll be a lot less severe if we didn't have to. People who gnash their teeth over 3% annual growth rates might want to read the parable of grains of rice on a chess board.
Rather than saying "not having kids is a luxury of time," a lot of people aren't having kids because children themselves are the luxury. Japan especially is already starting to feel what it's like to Stand on Zanzibar.
I'd like to applaud all the people who realize that they wouldn't make good parents and choose not to have children, as opposed to the very real person I know who (as an extreme example) keeps getting their children taken away by CPS and still continues to have more.
Group Leader
- Joined
- Jun 2, 2019
- Messages
- 4,267
@icekatze Yah, but lots of people who think they won't be good parents would be better than they think.
Of course, what society expects from being a good parent would be different. In certain parts of the world, if a parent spends more time with their kids where other families don't, it often bothers the child. But in a place where parents regularly spend time with their kids, it'd bother the child to not get that attention.
But a huge point that is different from modern times to times of the past really is time.
My great grandparents needed to make many children because there was no guarantee that all of them would survive and they might not have descendants to carry their family name/legacy (and it wasn't lack of food or money; though it wasn't a rich village. But random diseases or accidents that, at the time, they couldn't guarantee to heal could kill their child). In their village, everyone had many children. My grandpa had over 10 siblings (and he was the last one to die). My grandmother also had more than 10 (I don't know how many exactly).
During my grandparent's era, the survival rate of children drastically improved and people were fine with 4-5 children (maybe even less); but the world wars kinda scared them too during that era.
There was a certain desperation they would have that in modern times, we wouldn't have. Modern medicine can help with so many problems that they couldn't deal with before.
Of course, what society expects from being a good parent would be different. In certain parts of the world, if a parent spends more time with their kids where other families don't, it often bothers the child. But in a place where parents regularly spend time with their kids, it'd bother the child to not get that attention.
But a huge point that is different from modern times to times of the past really is time.
My great grandparents needed to make many children because there was no guarantee that all of them would survive and they might not have descendants to carry their family name/legacy (and it wasn't lack of food or money; though it wasn't a rich village. But random diseases or accidents that, at the time, they couldn't guarantee to heal could kill their child). In their village, everyone had many children. My grandpa had over 10 siblings (and he was the last one to die). My grandmother also had more than 10 (I don't know how many exactly).
During my grandparent's era, the survival rate of children drastically improved and people were fine with 4-5 children (maybe even less); but the world wars kinda scared them too during that era.
There was a certain desperation they would have that in modern times, we wouldn't have. Modern medicine can help with so many problems that they couldn't deal with before.
Dex-chan lover
- Joined
- Oct 23, 2019
- Messages
- 2,050
@deathmailrock
I'm not really sure how any of that is relevant here.
Some things that were once advantages are now liabilities. People never needed to be shamed because of their own personal decisions.
I'm not really sure how any of that is relevant here.
Some things that were once advantages are now liabilities. People never needed to be shamed because of their own personal decisions.
Group Leader
- Joined
- Jun 2, 2019
- Messages
- 4,267
@icekatze The point is that the idea that having kids is a disadvantage is more of a modern one. Our situation and culture as a society has changed quite recently. So having a few issues during this change is quite normal.
It's quite normal to be considered weird for not wanting kids because for the longest time, that was the norm.
We shouldn't expect society to just suddenly adapt and accept idea that are technically new as a whole so easily.
It's quite normal to be considered weird for not wanting kids because for the longest time, that was the norm.
We shouldn't expect society to just suddenly adapt and accept idea that are technically new as a whole so easily.
Dex-chan lover
- Joined
- Oct 23, 2019
- Messages
- 2,050
@deathmailrock
Times are only going to start changing more quickly. Society needs to keep up, otherwise there are going to be very real consequences.
Also, what sense does it even make to ostracize someone for not "doing something that's in their best interest?" If someone already realizes that people needs to be pressured into doing something, they've already got enough information to realize that it might not be in their best interest after all.
Times are only going to start changing more quickly. Society needs to keep up, otherwise there are going to be very real consequences.
Also, what sense does it even make to ostracize someone for not "doing something that's in their best interest?" If someone already realizes that people needs to be pressured into doing something, they've already got enough information to realize that it might not be in their best interest after all.
Group Leader
- Joined
- Jun 2, 2019
- Messages
- 4,267
@icekatze The times changing IS society changing. They are the same thing.
But you can't expect a perfect change. We actually got pretty far as a society in a short period of time.
Should be strive for better, sure; but we also need to be understanding that WE are the weird ones. That our era is weird. It's a new era that is drastically unlike many eras of the past.
But you can't expect a perfect change. We actually got pretty far as a society in a short period of time.
Should be strive for better, sure; but we also need to be understanding that WE are the weird ones. That our era is weird. It's a new era that is drastically unlike many eras of the past.
Dex-chan lover
- Joined
- Oct 23, 2019
- Messages
- 2,050
@deathmailrock
Times changing is not the same thing as society changing. Organized groups of people are certainly a part of it, but so are disconnected groups of people, unintended consequences of planned and unplanned behavior, and the environment they live in.
And I'm pretty sure I never said anything about requiring perfection, rather this sounds like a nirvana fallacy.
Any moment in time and space may seem strange to those who do not understand it, whether they grew up there or not. But since this is turning into a discussion of politics, I'm going to leave it at that.
Times changing is not the same thing as society changing. Organized groups of people are certainly a part of it, but so are disconnected groups of people, unintended consequences of planned and unplanned behavior, and the environment they live in.
And I'm pretty sure I never said anything about requiring perfection, rather this sounds like a nirvana fallacy.
Any moment in time and space may seem strange to those who do not understand it, whether they grew up there or not. But since this is turning into a discussion of politics, I'm going to leave it at that.
Similar threads
