Level 596 no Tanya Minarai - Ch. 8 - Apprentice's Hammer

[MangaDex]

 

[Mageos]

thank you for the chapters

 

[cryum]

I don't understand what the author is trying to do here. They're saying that relying on your own skills to identify materials is bad? That ore detection is bad? That ore identification, which is insanely useful for prospecting the frontiers, or slag from smelting or a random dragon melting a mountain is bad?

But magically automating the smelting process instead of learning how to do it yourself is good???

It's not clear what the father is pissed about. Is he going to say that MC has terrible intuition for making alloys since he slaps honey of all things in there, or is MC insanely good at making alloys?

 

[sedition]

I don't understand what the author is trying to do here. They're saying that relying on your own skills to identify materials is bad? That ore detection is bad? That ore identification, which is insanely useful for prospecting the frontiers, or slag from smelting or a random dragon melting a mountain is bad?

But magically automating the smelting process instead of learning how to do it yourself is good???

It's not clear what the father is pissed about. Is he going to say that MC has terrible intuition for making alloys since he slaps honey of all things in there, or is MC insanely good at making alloys?

Blacksmiths in this story ignored the skill because they thought it was useless, people can't level up easily like the main character so they obviously wouldn't want to waste points in a skill that anyone can learn by themselves with a couple years of experience.
So it makes sense that they didn't know about the compound skill.

 

[Salfaro]

The boob censors claim a butt now, too. 😔

I don't understand what the author is trying to do here. They're saying that relying on your own skills to identify materials is bad? That ore detection is bad? That ore identification, which is insanely useful for prospecting the frontiers, or slag from smelting or a random dragon melting a mountain is bad?

But magically automating the smelting process instead of learning how to do it yourself is good???

They're different situations, tbh. Ore identification is just something a blacksmith should be able to do on their own by studying the rock, so it's a point of pride, and nothing is really gained by a blacksmith spending points on something they can do themselves by natural ability. Smelting is different though, because as mentioned last chapter, in order to smelt things you need a gigantic crucible, which is an expensive operation that even the guild needs to ensure they put in bulk orders for to save on costs.

So smelting via a skill isn't a matter of pride, it's a matter of economic cost when it comes to solo-operating blacksmiths like the dad, so he has an actual reason to use the points + be happy about it (unlike the ore identification skills, which he could already do on his own so it was a waste).

It's not clear what the father is pissed about. Is he going to say that MC has terrible intuition for making alloys since he slaps honey of all things in there, or is MC insanely good at making alloys?

I think it's about his blacksmithing ability, not the alloy itself.

My assumption/hope is that the dad's "divine blacksmith" title isn't just for show, and that despite his son trouncing him in level, skill-wise he's still far superior. Usually, when people say things like "the X is crying", it's because it's not being used to its full potential, so my assumption is that the dad's pissed because basically although the materials/alloy used are good and the output's good, the son's forging technique is poor and the output should be much higher, given the quality of the input ingredients, if he was as skilled as his dad.

 

[NotALewdGuy]

The boob censors claim a butt now, too. 😔


They're different situations, tbh. Ore identification is just something a blacksmith should be able to do on their own by studying the rock, so it's a point of pride, and nothing is really gained by a blacksmith spending points on something they can do themselves by natural ability. Smelting is different though, because as mentioned last chapter, in order to smelt things you need a gigantic crucible, which is an expensive operation that even the guild needs to ensure they put in bulk orders for to save on costs.

So smelting via a skill isn't a matter of pride, it's a matter of economic cost when it comes to solo-operating blacksmiths like the dad, so he has an actual reason to use the points + be happy about it (unlike the ore identification skills, which he could already do on his own so it was a waste).


I think it's about his blacksmithing ability, not the alloy itself.

My assumption/hope is that the dad's "divine blacksmith" title isn't just for show, and that despite his son trouncing him in level, skill-wise he's still far superior. Usually, when people say things like "the X is crying", it's because it's not being used to its full potential, so my assumption is that the dad's pissed because basically although the materials/alloy used are good and the output's good, the son's forging technique is poor and the output should be much higher, given the quality of the input ingredients, if he was as skilled as his dad.

This

 

[cryum]

Ore identification is just something a blacksmith should be able to do on their own by studying the rock, so it's a point of pride

Hard disagree. The geology of rock is an entire field of its own, with various eccentricities to individual samples on top of regional patterns. What temperatures and what chemicals to use is strongly dependent on the metals, impurities, and chemical composition the metal is in. Calling that a "point of pride" is the same as calling the smithing process itself a "point of pride".

And again, it doesn't even account for slag and violent terraforming(ie. melted by dragonfire). You can't use reference material for these and have to evaluate them on a case by case basis, which heavily benefits from a skill that does it all for you.

All of this benefits from a specialist no different from a smelter(and smelting itself doesn't cover all the ways to process ore)

 

[Salfaro]

Hard disagree. The geology of rock is an entire field of its own, with various eccentricities to individual samples on top of regional patterns. What temperatures and what chemicals to use is strongly dependent on the metals, impurities, and chemical composition the metal is in. Calling that a "point of pride" is the same as calling the smithing process itself a "point of pride".

And again, it doesn't even account for slag and violent terraforming(ie. melted by dragonfire). You can't use reference material for these and have to evaluate them on a case by case basis, which heavily benefits from a skill that does it all for you.

All of this benefits from a specialist no different from a smelter(and smelting itself doesn't cover all the ways to process ore)

This is also a fantasy manga, where master crafters being able to intuit ridiculous information (which craftsman irl wouldn't) after being sufficiently skilled is a very common trope. Pretty much all fantasy manga take liberties when it comes to manufacturing and IRL specialties in the name of plot devices (unless it's a manga specifially about bringing earth techniques to a fantasy land), it's suspension of disbelief people are just kind of assumed to acknowledge.

If you want to be annoyed that this smithing doesn't follow IRL smithing techniques, then sure. But from the POV of this manga, the differentiation between their viewpoints on the worthwhileness of spending level-up points on ore ID vs self-sufficient smelting isn't confusing or contradictory like your post was getting at it being, the author's intent is pretty clear.

 

[cryum]

But from the POV of this manga, the differentiation between their viewpoints on the worthwhileness of spending level-up points on ore ID vs self-sufficient smelting isn't confusing or contradictory like your post was getting at it being, the author's intent is pretty clear.

Is it? Like, was the MC's point that only the smelting skill is worth it, or that all the skills leading up to it were?

 

[Happyfatkid90]

Thanks for the chapter

 

[Salfaro]

Is it? Like, was the MC's point that only the smelting skill is worth it, or that all the skills leading up to it were?

The MC liked all those skills because as a little kid who wasn't receiving any form of blacksmithing education (because his dad was a drunkard), they were useful to him. But to the rest of the world (that can actually learn+train those skills themselves), those 10 points leading up to smelting aren't worth blowing, which is why nobody else found the smelting skill.

Especially when a B rank wouldn't even have 50 total skill points, that's probably way too much for something they can ultimately train for. There's probably 10 points of much better choices of abilities that actually boost your blacksmithing ability, in ways that aren't as easily trainable as ore/metal ID. Especially if you just buy ingots from a supplier (as the chapter talking about crucible economy mentions a decent amount of smiths do), there's not much need for either of them if you buy from a trusted source.

 

[koga88]

Holy cow can this group get banned yet? Honestly this is pathetic. I know that I'm complaining about something that is done for free but this really should be unacceptable. Not only are they butchering the art they aren't even uploading the entire chapter at this point. Introduction art has been removed, they've straight up cut a character to pieces to avoid having even an outline of a womanly figure and the translation quality seems to drop with every chapter.

Spoiler: Raw "uncensored" images

 

[cryum]

Holy cow can this group get banned yet? Honestly this is pathetic. I know that I'm complaining about something that is done for free but this really should be unacceptable. Not only are they butchering the art they aren't even uploading the entire chapter at this point. Introduction art has been removed, they've straight up cut a character to pieces to avoid having even an outline of a womanly figure and the translation quality seems to drop with every chapter.

Spoiler: Raw "uncensored" images

I mean TL quality is slightly better than the previous 2 chapters.

 

[Xakorik]

Holy cow can this group get banned yet? Honestly this is pathetic. I know that I'm complaining about something that is done for free but this really should be unacceptable. Not only are they butchering the art they aren't even uploading the entire chapter at this point. Introduction art has been removed, they've straight up cut a character to pieces to avoid having even an outline of a womanly figure and the translation quality seems to drop with every chapter.

Spoiler: Raw "uncensored" images

Wish there were rules about tls doing that.