Like, Share & Subscribe - Ch. 64

[MangaDex]

 

[T-sama]

Hu Luoluo should have drunk it

Ah bigots, you can always count with them to be trash.

Not gonna lie, honestly wonder if dude at the end is real or false flag operation to make Song Li a.

After all PR dude already does questionable stuff.

Though I suspect it's for real unfortunately.

Also calling it, Volleyball General is gay and will apologize for screwing up by putting Hu Luoluo in the right path, like introducing her girlfriend or something, which will make Hu Luoluo realize she wants to be with Song Li

 

[Sad_Jamie]

Hopefully this wraps up properly with the remaining chapters..

 

[DigitDaemon]

I really don't understand the editor's aversion to controversy in this series. I have seen time and time again that authors having their work become controversial has caused a huge boost in recognition and sales, especially with their younger audience.

If the award that Song Li wants is just not given out if you are "too controversial" I think she ultimately needs to give up on getting it because A: it means that no matter how prestigious, it is bogus and B: it is more important to be genuine as an artist than to be award winning and allowing herself to be silenced would be artistic suicide.

Edit: I also wanted to add that as soon as the guy said "I have a letter here." The moderators should have cut the mic and informed him this was a Q&A session, he can send any mail to the author through the publisher, and asked him to return to his seat. They were clearly expecting a situation like this and yet not prepared for it?

 

[T-sama]

I really don't understand the editor's aversion to controversy in this series. I have seen time and time again that authors having their work become controversial has caused a huge boost in recognition and sales, especially with their younger audience.

If the award that Song Li wants is just not given out if you are "too controversial" I think she ultimately needs to give up on getting it because A: it means that no matter how prestigious, it is bogus and B: it is more important to be genuine as an artist than to be award winning and allowing herself to be silenced would be artistic suicide.

Don't forget it's an Asian country though, things don't always turn out like in the west due to cultural differences.

 

[SrNevik]

Don't forget it's an Asian country though, things don't always turn out like in the west due to cultural differences.

Right, like in this very chapter. They immediately showed the consequences of being "controversial" with her situation and even Luoluo's. Their safety is potentially at risk. There are different types of controversy, and ones that rile up dangerous bases of people are not what an editor wants to be involved with.

Plus this has the chance to devolve into nasty spaces, and now we have boycotts. She knows the potential consequences and chooses to be herself anyway. We recognize that as a strong move exactly because of how dangerous it can be. I bet she gets some positives from this too, though.

 

[Sandrascarlet]

I really don't understand the editor's aversion to controversy in this series. I have seen time and time again that authors having their work become controversial has caused a huge boost in recognition and sales, especially with their younger audience.

If the award that Song Li wants is just not given out if you are "too controversial" I think she ultimately needs to give up on getting it because A: it means that no matter how prestigious, it is bogus and B: it is more important to be genuine as an artist than to be award winning and allowing herself to be silenced would be artistic suicide.

Edit: I also wanted to add that as soon as the guy said "I have a letter here." The moderators should have cut the mic and informed him this was a Q&A session, he can send any mail to the author through the publisher, and asked him to return to his seat. They were clearly expecting a situation like this and yet not prepared for it?

Maybe it has to do with censorship.

I agree if u really wanted to avoid controversy they shouldve been stricter with the audience

 

[DigitDaemon]

Don't forget it's an Asian country though, things don't always turn out like in the west due to cultural differences.

I get what you are saying as far as why the reaction, at least in a broad sense, but I think that the reaction in sales would be the same. Because controversial means that you have people passionately engaged and about half of those people are going to be in support of you. Unless she is in danger of being censored, I think even if the public displeasure towards her being controversial is strong, the human nature of passion and curiosity would still lead to similar results in sales regardless of regional culture.

That being said, this is an inference on my part, if you or anyone else have a different read/understanding on it, or specific examples, please share. I am not a die hard on this opinion and welcome discussion.

 

[T-sama]

I get what you are saying as far as why the reaction, at least in a broad sense, but I think that the reaction in sales would be the same. Because controversial means that you have people passionately engaged and about half of those people are going to be in support of you. Unless she is in danger of being censored, I think even if the public displeasure towards her being controversial is strong, the human nature of passion and curiosity would still lead to similar results in sales regardless of regional culture.

That being said, this is an inference on my part, if you or anyone else have a different read/understanding on it, or specific examples, please share. I am not a die hard on this opinion and welcome discussion.

Asian countries tend to put way more importance on reputation, worst case scenario publisher or bookstores might refuse to have her books.

And as @SrNevik said, she can be in danger too, in Asian countries controversies can really spiral out of control.

 

[Sandrascarlet]

I actually respect stories that bother to speak of these issues rather than sunshines and rainbows ambiguous yuri. Ofc noone likes to see protags suffering hate crime but yeah, way better than hypersexual stories with no core.

 

[DigitDaemon]

Right, like in this very chapter. They showed the consequences of being "controversial" immediately. Her safety is at risk. There are different types of controversy, and ones that rile up dangerous bases of people are not what an editor wants to be involved with. Plus this has the chance to devolve into nasty spaces, and now we have boycotts.

Her editor is also her friend and cares about her well-being. She knows the potential consequences and chooses to be herself anyway. We recognize that as a strong move exactly because of how dangerous it can be. I bet she gets some positives from this too, though.

I get what you are saying, but she has already decided to right those themes into her book. That is what has put her in danger, the "letter" was a classic example of poisoning the well, any answer she gave would lead to the same results because it was a set up to generate hate towards her. Even if she didn't answer, it would have been the same results, so there is no reason not to defender herself.

If safety was the concern, from a proactive stand point, the only thing the editor could have done was refuse to let the book be published. From a reactive stand point, they should have been searching everyone on entry to the signing and removing anything that could be used to assault her with, including food/drink.

 

[DigitDaemon]

Asian countries tend to put way more importance on reputation, worst case scenario publisher or bookstores might refuse to have her books.

And as @SrNevik said, she can be in danger too, in Asian countries controversies can really spiral out of control.

I get that, but as I said in another response, as soon as the man said "I have a letter from parents boycotting your works," the dye was cast, the moderators and av team had one chance to cut the mic when he did not ask a question and then it was too late, even if Song Li had chosen to not respond, and likely, even then, the book would have sparked it's own controversy anyways.

So, I guess to be more specific, I don't understand why the editor is concerned about Song Li's controversial answers, when they likely are not going to change the status as controversial and will only support the opinions of those willing to passionately support her for being represented.

 

[T-sama]

@DigitDaemon
Her book has nothing to do with it, dude outright said it's due to her scandal and sexuality, book content was never really the real issue, it's typical bigots harassing someone for being gay, if she wasn't caught kissing Hu Luoluo this wouldn't be happening.

Her editor is worried cause it's literally his job to try keep her away from any and all scandals.

 

[DigitDaemon]

Her book has nothing to do with it, dude outright said it's due to her scandal and sexuality, book content was never really the real issue, it's typical bigots harassing someone for being gay, if she wasn't caught kissing Hu Luoluo this wouldn't be happening,

I might be misunderstanding what the content of her book will include, but you are probably right in that people maybe wouldn't have read it at the time of the press conference, but I feel like the implications of the story would imply the same themes would appear in the book, and therefore only delay the controversy... But again, I might have misunderstood all of the content of the book.

 

[nyannibalism]

thanks for the translation!

just goes to show how the media can twist your words and present them way off course from what you actually meant.

its probably just water, but i really didnt expect to see song li get hate crimed at all.

 

[T-sama]

I might be misunderstanding what the content of her book will include, but you are probably right in that people maybe wouldn't have read it at the time of the press conference, but I feel like the implications of the story would imply the same themes would appear in the book, and therefore only delay the controversy... But again, I might have misunderstood all of the content of the book.

There will always be controversies over book content, but if the author has a clean image it gets nowhere and can always excuse everything as fiction, the entire issue is with Song Li as a person, the scandals and her sexuality make her a easy target.

thanks for the translation!

just goes to show how the media can twist your words and present them way off course from what you actually meant.

its probably just water, but i really didnt expect to see song li get hate crimed at all.

I noticed that in Asian works women tend to more frequently get attacked, independent if she's a lesbian or not, being gay just makes her an even easier target.

 

[SrNevik]

I might be misunderstanding what the content of her book will include, but you are probably right in that people maybe wouldn't have read it at the time of the press conference, but I feel like the implications of the story would imply the same themes would appear in the book, and therefore only delay the controversy... But again, I might have misunderstood all of the content of the book.

There's a difference between fictional/literary content and being outed as gay in real life. The reactions to those two things are often not the same. The reason for the protests is her being confirmed as actually gay and publicly so. That's why they're pushing this bullshit "won't you influence the kids" nonsense.

Her images and personal quotes are more publicly available and digestible than any long form novel would be. The idea is: we had a certain level of controversy before that we could handle. This new level is potentially uncontrollable and more dangerous. I think her editor (who is also her friend) wants to protect her from that.

 

[DigitDaemon]

@T-sama @SrNevik
I think, overall I am getting what you are saying. It isn't really as much about the business side as it is about the personal safety side. I think in that regard, I would change my assessment of the editor that it is more just he is behind the curve. I think the Song Li's status as controversial has been well established, even before the kissing picture and I think he needs to stop being in the mindset of preventing controversy and more in the mindset of protecting Song Li at this point. That is to say, less concerned about her answers to the letter and more concerned about the follow up to it. But that is a more believable character motivation than what I was picking up, initially.

Edit: Thank you both for discussing this in a clear and conversational manner. I really appreciate that there are people like you both that are willing to helpful in the way they disagree and it honestly makes it a lot easier to learn and articulate myself when people are willing to argue in good faith online.

 

[DigitDaemon]

There's a difference between fictional/literary content and being outed as gay in real life. The reactions to those two things are often not the same. The reason for the protests is her being confirmed as actually gay and publicly so. That's why they're pushing this bullshit "won't you influence the kids" nonsense.

Her images and personal quotes are more publicly available and digestible than any long form novel would be. The idea is: we had a certain level of controversy before that we could handle. This new level is potentially uncontrollable and more dangerous. I think her editor (who is also her friend) wants to protect her from that.

I will accept that this is likely true in most cases. I guess I just can't understand why, I mean, you can quote passages from a book and that has been used to great effect to drive controversy, but that is the only point I would make on that. But I guess where I am probably confused is I honestly just don't understand why there would be a difference in reaction and it is probably for the better that the reasoning of bigots seems like insanity to me.

 

[Yuri_Enjoyer_Deluxe]

I really don't understand the editor's aversion to controversy in this series. I have seen time and time again that authors having their work become controversial has caused a huge boost in recognition and sales, especially with their younger audience.

If the award that Song Li wants is just not given out if you are "too controversial" I think she ultimately needs to give up on getting it because A: it means that no matter how prestigious, it is bogus and B: it is more important to be genuine as an artist than to be award winning and allowing herself to be silenced would be artistic suicide.

Edit: I also wanted to add that as soon as the guy said "I have a letter here." The moderators should have cut the mic and informed him this was a Q&A session, he can send any mail to the author through the publisher, and asked him to return to his seat. They were clearly expecting a situation like this and yet not prepared for it?

They were about to tell him that too, funnily enough, guess they forgot to use the warning feature 🥲