Madonna Lily

[MangaDex]

 

[BakedBanana]

Hmm..

 

[Oeconomist]

Well, this series probably won't be to my taste even if a proper scanlation is made.

 

[spiralarcher]

Well, this series probably won't be to my taste even if a proper scanlation is made.

It’ll be hard to read through it and not notice the Japanese text in the bubbles, misplaced incorrect dialect and weird grammar errors like the ones for the time of day( which is in military time for some stupid reason).

 

[owen3939]

It’ll be hard to read through it and not notice the Japanese text in the bubbles, misplaced incorrect dialect and weird grammar errors like the ones for the time of day( which is in military time for some stupid reason).

Bro idk what to tell you if you think counting time beyond the number 12 is stupid

 

[Oeconomist]

Bro idk what to tell you if you think counting time beyond the number 12 is stupid

spiralarcher didn't say that it were stupid in general; he said that it were stupid here. Neither Japanese nor British civilians normally use 24-hour time. This is just Nosehair making yet another Nosehair choice.

 

[spiralarcher]

Bro idk what to tell you if you think counting time beyond the number 12 is stupid

It should be 4 today and 9 tonight. Not 16 today or 21 tonight. The choice they made for that was just weird and voluntarily stupid.

 

[owen3939]

spiralarcher didn't say that it were stupid in general; he said that it were stupid here. Neither Japanese nor British civilians normally use 24-hour time. This is just Nosehair making yet another Nosehair choice.

British civilians? Everyone in the UK uses 24 hour time

 

[spiralarcher]

British civilians? Everyone in the UK uses 24 hour time

And they also use the 12 hour format for common day to day activities/casual speech. 24 also for formal settings, timetables, electronics, public transport and written form. The way they put it in here is just stupid. Especially when this translator claims to not be anywhere from that part of Europe but still chooses to use it.

 

[Oeconomist]

British civilians? Everyone in the UK uses 24 hour time

What part of

normally

was challenging for you? I think that nearly everyone sometimes uses 24-hour time, but not normally.

 

[Neushaartje]

spiralarcher didn't say that it were stupid in general; he said that it were stupid here. Neither Japanese nor British civilians normally use 24-hour time. This is just Nosehair making yet another Nosehair choice.

What? almost everyone in Japan uses 24 hour clock for all times. 12 hour clock does sometimes occur but it's rare.
I used 24 hour clock because the original lines used 24 hour clock obviously. It's visible under it in the lines. There's a prominent 16 in it:

And yes, most countries use 24 hour time nowadays. It's mostly older people in Japan and most countries that don't.

Would you also like your yen converted to U.S.D. and metres to yards for your convenience? Perhaps you would like the term “train” to be changed to “Chevvy” to make it easier to understand?

What part of

was challenging for you? I think that nearly everyone sometimes uses 24-hour time, but not normally.

I'm fairly certain this person meant to say that using 24 hour time in the U.K. is what is normally done, which it is, especially for business like appointments such as a meeting the 24 hour clock tends to be used.

 

[Oeconomist]

What? almost everyone in Japan uses 24 hour clock for all times.

No. Mind you that I'm not arguing over the dialogue; frankly, I bailed before I got to any dialogue about time. I'm arguing against your claim quoted here. And, with the actual argument in mind, take a look at the clock in that panel. Radio, television, and newspapers normally use twelve-hour time. And, rather that using either twelve-hour or twenty-four-hour time for all times, the Japanese sometimes use a screwy thirty-hour time.

 

[Oeconomist]

I'm fairly certain this person meant to say that using 24 hour time in the U.K. is what is normally done

Perhaps.

which it is

Nope.

especially for business like appointments such as a meeting the 24 hour clock tends to be used.

which are one of the special cases. As I noted, most of us use twenty-four-hour time in some cases.

 

[Neushaartje]

No. Mind you that I'm not arguing over the dialogue; frankly, I bailed before I got to any dialogue about time. I'm arguing against your claim quoted here. And, with the actual argument in mind, take a look at the clock in that panel. Radio, television, and newspapers normally use twelve-hour time. And, rather that using either twelve-hour or twenty-four-hour time for all times, the Japanese sometimes use a screwy thirty-hour time.

Yes, analog clocks everywhere use 12 hour clock; we're talking about how people speak.

They used 24 hour clock in that line, and that is why I made it 24 hour, that is all. If they had used 12 hour, which does occur, but is rare, then I would have translated it as 12 hour. For the most part Japanese people speak in 24 hour clock in my experience.

It's a particularly strange thing to call an arbitrary and voluntarily stupid choice, it's what they said, “16時になりました”. It's visible under the original lines, the 16, even for those that can't read the Japanese script.

 

[Oeconomist]

For the most part Japanese people speak in 24 hour clock in my experience.

Then your experience is probably mostly of things such as time-tables and international business communication. Radio, television, and newspapers aren't using twelve-hour time just to be cute.

 

[Neushaartje]

Then your experience is probably mostly of things such as time-tables and international business communication. Radio, television, and newspapers aren't using twelve-hour time just to be cute.

No, my experience is forum posts and fictions like this one. It's really quite rare for Japanese characters in fiction to use 12-hour clock when stating the time like this though it's not unheard of.

But that's all neither here nor there, the simple reality is that it's absurd to say that it's an arbitrary choice I made for strange reasons. They used the 24 hour clock in the original lines, as would be expected and typically done when Japanese fictional characters state times of appointments, and so I translated it to the 24 hour clock. — That's all that happened.

 

[Oeconomist]

it's absurd to say that it's an arbitrary choice I made for strange reasons.

No one said that it were arbitrary nor strange. spiralarcher said that it were stupid, and I said that it were you being you.

 

[Neushaartje]

No one said that it were arbitrary nor strange. spiralarcher said that it were stupid, and I said that it were you being you.

No, that user used the phrase “weird”, which is a synonym for “strange"
Which is all neither here nor there, apparently you think keeping the times in 24 hour clock is “I being I”? And the other user considers it “weird and voluntarily stupid.”

Let's be honest, that as usual, for whatever quaint reason, you assumed that the original time was in 12 hour clock, a very odd thing to assume since, for this reason, I leave the original lines readable which, even if one should not be able to parse the Japanese script show a clear “16” in Arabic numerals. There's nothing “I being I”, or “weird and voluntarily stupid” about simply keeping the time format as it is. And your quaint beliefs that Japanese, or British people rarely use 24 hour clock cements to me my opinion that you have very little experience in interacting with either.

 

[spiralarcher]

No, that user used the phrase “weird”, which is a synonym for “strange"
Which is all neither here nor there, apparently you think keeping the times in 24 hour clock is “I being I”? And the other user considers it “weird and voluntarily stupid.”

Let's be honest, that as usual, for whatever quaint reason, you assumed that the original time was in 12 hour clock, a very odd thing to assume since, for this reason, I leave the original lines readable which, even if one should not be able to parse the Japanese script show a clear “16” in Arabic numerals. There's nothing “I being I”, or “weird and voluntarily stupid” about simply keeping the time format as it is. And your quaint beliefs that Japanese, or British people rarely use 24 hour clock cements to me my opinion that you have very little experience in interacting with either.

No I said it was stupid multiple times. Like I am now. Only said weird once. The decision to do it was very stupid and the reason you’re giving as to why you are using that format is stupid but what I can I expect if not this level of translation from you. Would’ve been better if it Machine translated. Said stupid three times if you couldn’t keep up with that. If your experience is in written form and not day to day casual interactions then that’s not really a valid reason. It’s you making shit up to cover your mistakes.

 

[Neushaartje]

No I said it was stupid multiple times. Like I am now. Only said weird once. The decision to do it was very stupid and the reason you’re giving as to why you are using that format is stupid but what I can I expect if not this level of translation from you. Would’ve been better if it Machine translated. Said stupid three times if you couldn’t keep up with that. If your experience is in written form and not day to day casual interactions then that’s not really a valid reason. It’s you making shit up to cover your mistakes.

Yes, it's so stupid not to arbitrarily alter the way they give times for your U.S.A. convenience.
Would you also like metres to be converted to yards and tens to U.S.D.? You are kidding me if you actually think there's an issue with keeping 24 hour clock as 24 hour clock rather than converting to a silly system really only still used by one country that in general has a quaint obsession with sticking to inconvenient units.

No, you didn't mean that, the way you phrased it makes it quite clear you somehow thought I changed 12 hour clock to 24 hour clock, an odd thing since the original text is visible. But then again, reading isn't your strongest suit.