Magi Craft Meister - Vol. 11 Ch. 51

[HDMI1]

Is this for real?

"The Genocidal Evil Terrorist Organization is attacking everyone and terrorizing many nations! ... But it's ok because they're good guys now!"

Just like the U.S. Government

 

[Kshatria]

oh sure, just rename UMBRELLA into BLUE UMBRELLA
that will absolve all their sins

btw i still confused, is she the same android made by mc predecessor or not?? or was it 2 different maker?

 

[Goldenzeal]

Wat, I don't remember the robogirl having brainwashing power, thought it was the human leader. Maybe I remembered incorrectly, oh well

Yeah I have 0 idea where the brainwashing came from

Actually she had that power even in the Novel.
The overall story is pretty much the same, but they skipped some pretty big details on how it worked.

The TL: DR version is that she was fucked up in the head, and started brainwash people which became a negative feedback loop as the leaders of her own orginesation would prevent her from trying to change her mindset.

There was even a few hints in both the novel where you saw Roland and the other leaders were trying to dissuade her from considering that maybe she was wrong.
But i only remember that happening once in the manga.

The end of what looks like a terrorist organization that became the main antagonist this whole time feels like a lazy and hollow attempt to bring a conclusion to the story arc. Consequences? Nah, all of the former member are reformed in 2 pages. Not in great way of story telling just "they turned from bad organization to good organization" in one page. Bruh, even if it's shonen manga, it's the shallowest story depth i've ever read. Not that they weren't get executed, it's just there's no logical resolution, complexity, intricacies and consequences out of all the things that happened in this arc. Everything is just "*snaps_fingers yep, we're done" in few pages.

Yeah , all those details were skimmed over real fast.

In the novel it ultimately does works out the same, but its a much bigger deal and takes abit more work ( tho not THAT much ).
For example, Not EVERYONE actually joined Nostalgia and alot of people left once they were no longer brainwashed.
The new organization also never made themselves publicly known until alot later.

 

[Amplify]

Can you spoil it for me? I'm bowing out of the manga now but I can't help but wonder how it gets worse.

Fine, spoilers for a later arc and I'm going by memory so some details are a little fuzzy:
I don't remember if Elsa is currently is currently Jin's disciple or not but for context at some point she becomes his beloved disciple. Anyway, a few arcs from now Jin gets involved in an automata competition that's a little bit like the Olympics for automatans to show off their capabilities and see who's the best magi craftsman.

Elsa's in disguise because after the current Unifiers arc she's basically missing and half presumed dead, basically in hiding. Well anyway one of the other contestants happens to be her father and Elsa gets revealed and he finds out she's alive and she's right here.

So what does he do? He slaps her face hard enough for her to hit the ground and shouts at her for not returning immediately and basically drags her off. Jin barely says anything about his and hardly has a problem with it because he's her father so that makes it okay somehow, and it turns into a competition of automatas between them with Elsa as the stake. Jin with Reiko entering obviously crushes the competition as they get serious and Elsa comes back to Jin. Nothing is said about Elsa basically being beaten to the ground and it's excused and all brushed under the rug, because he's a bit brainwashed or however you want to put it "so he wasn't really himself" but Jin spent 95% of the time having no idea about this so presumably he thinks beating your children is perfectly okay.

Jin's apathy over the whole thing from start to finish was the straw that broke the camel's back for me, people on the novel updates forum were trying to justify it as "That's simply normal Japanese behavior, they're non-confrontational", but fuck that noise.

 

[Nemo2342]

Fine, spoilers for a later arc and I'm going by memory so some details are a little fuzzy:
I don't remember if Elsa is currently is currently Jin's disciple or not but for context at some point she becomes his beloved disciple. Anyway, a few arcs from now Jin gets involved in an automata competition that's a little bit like the Olympics for automatans to show off their capabilities and see who's the best magi craftsman.

Elsa's in disguise because after the current Unifiers arc she's basically missing and half presumed dead, basically in hiding. Well anyway one of the other contestants happens to be her father and Elsa gets revealed and he finds out she's alive and she's right here.

So what does he do? He slaps her face hard enough for her to hit the ground and shouts at her for not returning immediately and basically drags her off. Jin barely says anything about his and hardly has a problem with it because he's her father so that makes it okay somehow, and it turns into a competition of automatas between them with Elsa as the stake. Jin with Reiko entering obviously crushes the competition as they get serious and Elsa comes back to Jin. Nothing is said about Elsa basically being beaten to the ground and it's excused and all brushed under the rug, because he's a bit brainwashed or however you want to put it "so he wasn't really himself" but Jin spent 95% of the time having no idea about this so presumably he thinks beating your children is perfectly okay.

Jin's apathy over the whole thing from start to finish was the straw that broke the camel's back for me, people on the novel updates forum were trying to justify it as "That's simply normal Japanese behavior, they're non-confrontational", but fuck that noise.

While I've certainly read worse, it definitely fits the rather terrible pattern we've already been seeing.

Usually I'm not one to chomp at the bit for the MC to murder people, but I'd have liked to have seen this MC do ANYTHING other than make excuses for the bad people and pat them on the head.

 

[BaziJoe]

Fine, spoilers for a later arc and I'm going by memory so some details are a little fuzzy:
I don't remember if Elsa is currently is currently Jin's disciple or not but for context at some point she becomes his beloved disciple. Anyway, a few arcs from now Jin gets involved in an automata competition that's a little bit like the Olympics for automatans to show off their capabilities and see who's the best magi craftsman.

Elsa's in disguise because after the current Unifiers arc she's basically missing and half presumed dead, basically in hiding. Well anyway one of the other contestants happens to be her father and Elsa gets revealed and he finds out she's alive and she's right here.

So what does he do? He slaps her face hard enough for her to hit the ground and shouts at her for not returning immediately and basically drags her off. Jin barely says anything about his and hardly has a problem with it because he's her father so that makes it okay somehow, and it turns into a competition of automatas between them with Elsa as the stake. Jin with Reiko entering obviously crushes the competition as they get serious and Elsa comes back to Jin. Nothing is said about Elsa basically being beaten to the ground and it's excused and all brushed under the rug, because he's a bit brainwashed or however you want to put it "so he wasn't really himself" but Jin spent 95% of the time having no idea about this so presumably he thinks beating your children is perfectly okay.

Jin's apathy over the whole thing from start to finish was the straw that broke the camel's back for me, people on the novel updates forum were trying to justify it as "That's simply normal Japanese behavior, they're non-confrontational", but fuck that noise.

Damn.. and I was hoping it was the ending and I can finally escape this series

 

[TNT261]

That's a pretty awful ending to the arc. Like really awful. I'm the first to say someone dying to atone for their sins is BS and they're just looking for a cop out but sheesh. So the solution to redeem the characters is to wipe Elena's whole personality up to this point (would this be considered a lobotomy?) and say literally everyone else was brainwashed by said memory wiped person? Just no conflict at all or even potential for character growth. What's worse is I was pretty on board with how the unifiers were shaping up until now. I thought Elena and Roland were both using each other with twisted personalities to achieve their goals. Im also disappointed Elena didn't turn Roland into BBQ last chapter. That would have been an interesting consequence of her lashing out (and one that could force her to reflect on her actions if she started to care about him)

 

[Amplify]

Damn.. and I was hoping it was the ending and I can finally escape this series

Oh no not even fucking close, I dropped the novel in the early 400s, but there are over 3600 chapters to the WN and it's ongoing.

My biggest complaint with the series overall though is the same trap that most series with any sort of crafting tend to fall into: The author's obviously just skimmed the relevant wikipedia page a bit and replaced anything they don't understand or can't do without modern technology with magic and magic materials. Everything is crafting in name only and in reality it's mostly magic with an engineering taste.

I'd kill for a good, proper series on Blacksmithing but I've yet to find one. Hell I pushed through well over 1200 chapters of Overgeared because I really really wanted it to be good. Shame.

 

[Amariithynar]

So, she was using them by allowing them to use her while brainwashing them and being brainwashed at the same time? the fuck

And now they put all the blame on the artifact body of the old man which "died" earlier, so that everyone (now brainwashed to do good deeds) can make amends for their evil ways, yup.

 

[AnotherDuck]

Fine, spoilers for a later arc and I'm going by memory so some details are a little fuzzy:

Thanks. Dropped.

 

[iSiffrin]

Author can't write for shit

 

[Coldlight]

Right, so Rolan wasn't human after all but some sort of remote body. And so of course Elena gets conveniently redeemed by being repaired by the MC and her memory manipulated. Ironic for her since it's practically brainwashing too, she's effectively brainwashed to be good.

It's kind of ridiculous just how easy, clean and basically bloodless this "war" arc was. It's super convenient that all of the baddies suddenly became good with a figurative flip of a switch. No real or lasting consequences whatsoever for whatever bad stuff they did (yeah, I suppose that wannabe rapist is still on the loose too) and now I suppose everyone can safely forget this arc ever happened.

 

[ShinduPK4]

Why do I get that the unifiers' automata will be pardoned for her assault bordering on murder and a kidnapping, because of her oh-so-tragic past and missing her mommy?

Fucking called it in chapter 43.

On the other hand, is she actually going through with marrying the old fart? That's creepy as hell.

 

[Hcheaz]

the ending for this arc feels very similar to batman vs superman, where the whole conflict got solved just by saying "Martha"

 

[Snailman32]

Oh no not even fucking close, I dropped the novel in the early 400s, but there are over 3600 chapters to the WN and it's ongoing.

My biggest complaint with the series overall though is the same trap that most series with any sort of crafting tend to fall into: The author's obviously just skimmed the relevant wikipedia page a bit and replaced anything they don't understand or can't do without modern technology with magic and magic materials. Everything is crafting in name only and in reality it's mostly magic with an engineering taste.

I'd kill for a good, proper series on Blacksmithing but I've yet to find one. Hell I pushed through well over 1200 chapters of Overgeared because I really really wanted it to be good. Shame.

I'm curious, if you dropped the novel because it wasn't interesting enough, why did you decide to read the manga?

 

[Amplify]

I'm curious, if you dropped the novel because it wasn't interesting enough, why did you decide to read the manga?

I was already reading the manga, though I question why I'm still reading it.

 

[Kaitensatsuma]

THAT DE-ESCALATED WAY TOO QUICKLY

 

[AcelJean]

Oh f*ck off... they could have at least left them destroyed... whats the point sending that much fire power and all that build up of these guys getting what they deserved just to rebuild everything?

I dislike unnecessary killing but this is one of those parts where someone needed to die. Not to mention their resolution with Elena is *ss... It's like the kind of resolution you'd see in a children's cartoon like Dora or something... Abrupt and unsatisfying