Mezametara Saikyou Soubi to Uchuusen-mochi datta node, Ikkodate Mezashite Youhei to shite Jiyuu ni Ikitai - Vol. 1 Ch. 1

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Yes, you do experience g forces in space, they are not a result of gravity(btw there is some sort of gravity always present no matter where in space you are) but changing your velocity or direction. If you do not have sci-fi tech like artificial gravity and inertia dampeners, coming to a sudden halt or changing directions in a sharp turn like maneuver would actually either pancake you, or you would just burst like a baloon your insides spraying all over the cockpit.
My bad, you're quite obviously right, mate. I understood it immediately after reading your comment, I have no idea how I missed something like that while thinking about it in hindsight.
 
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Isekai MC pretty okay with having just killed 3 people a few minutes after waking up.

Also, "Hiro. Captain Hiro." Is he now registered as Captain Hiro, Captain of the Krishna? It'd be briefly funny at least before needing to get fixed/ignored ("This is Captain Captain Hiro")
 
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Why the need to pretend you lost your memory?
You are in space, just be lost, with all information fried.
 
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he’s doing mercenary job, so.. is he gonna do something like bubble drag bubble gate camp? lol
 
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put it in the reading list just because its different as an isekai and is sci-fi

so will keep with it and see where it goes
 
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Something tells me a verified ID is a very big deal in space travel. On Earth we have countries to make sure there aren't any dangerous criminals around so we can enter buildings without anyone bothering to check our identity, but in space you don't have countries. Every time you visit a random station, you will have to prove your identity and your license to pilot and own your ship. It's very unrealistic that you can make shit up about yourself and not be treated as a pirate. Also, heavily armed ships approaching stations without checks and without military ships convoying them is another unrealistic aspect.
 
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Sci-fi isekai is pretty rare and this one looks promising...

But it's kind of funny how someone recommended me this manga right after someone else recommended Starsector and I got hooked up into playing...
 
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Do people regularly see dreams of the games they play? Alas, never seems to happen to me.

What the heck is wrong with the builders of heavy cruisers if that single-man ship has as much firepower? Seems pointless to build heavy cruisers if you don't give them fitting weapons. The author really didn't bother to think things through, despite being Japanese, with the formidable modern naval history that Japan had.

Your moves don't matter one bit in space combat when using directed-energy weapons. It's not like your moves would be faster than the speed of light, or something close enough to that. But then again, I already mentioned the author didn't think things through.
 
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Do people regularly see dreams of the games they play? Alas, never seems to happen to me.
On occasion, I do. I usually have to be playing it for 8+ hours several days in a row. Haven't done that in a long while. Though I have been dreaming about being unable to fix a glitch (that doesn't exist IRL) in a game I'm currently playing.
What the heck is wrong with the builders of heavy cruisers if that single-man ship has as much firepower? Seems pointless to build heavy cruisers if you don't give them fitting weapons. The author really didn't bother to think things through, despite being Japanese, with the formidable modern naval history that Japan had.
May I ask where you got the impression that Hiro fought heavy cruisers? Can you tell me where it says Hiro's one ship has the equivalent power of a heavy cruiser? Because neither of those things are indicated in this chapter.

In this chapter, he fought poorly maintained, modified civilian ships in the civilian small category. Furthermore, as a category, military "small" ships are usually bigger than civilian "small" ships. Krishna, Hiro's ship, is about as large as one can get in the small civilian category, and, IIRC, is approximately the length of a Boeing 747 (56-76m).

A future ship in the civilian medium class will measure 300m (close to the length of a Nimitz or Gerald R Ford class aircraft carrier).
Your moves don't matter one bit in space combat when using directed-energy weapons. It's not like your moves would be faster than the speed of light, or something close enough to that. But then again, I already mentioned the author didn't think things through.
Are you alright? I don't mean to come across as mocking, I'm genuinely asking if you're doing okay, because you've made a whole lot of false assumptions and criticized the story based on those false assumptions.

Regardless, here's my response to said criticism (and I do hope you're doing okay):

These ships all have energy shields to buy them time, they're dogfighting, and light tends to shoot in a straight line. And in this universe (IRL universe, too), that means once you get past a certain angle, the physical equipment can't keep the directed energy engaged without physically adjusting.

By "directed energy", I'm talking about radar, microwaves, plasma, lasers, etc. And those don't get controlled to bend in any way, although the physical parts that shoot them probably allow for a certain range of angles in front of them to be hit.

This story's universe doesn't have ships capable of bending that energy after the shot is fired, which I don't think you're arguing for, but I'm mentioning it to cover all my bases.

Beyond that, space pirates aren't allowed to buy nice things (or anything at all) so almost all their ships are carrying weapons that were never intended to be carried, and can't do what the nice ships can. And the weapons that are big enough to deal heavy cruiser levels of damage are stationary enough they have to physically move the ship in order to aim the weapon once the target gets close enough.

The speed of light doesn't matter if the ship is difficult to target and/or survives long enough to maneuver out of the weapon's range of attack angles.

Conceptually, it's similar to the idea of dodging a bullet: you don't dodge the bullet, you dodge where the gun is pointing so that the bullet misses. And, if you get behind the shooter, and their arms are in casts that force them to shoot in a general frontal direction, the gun can't be pointed at you.
 
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May I ask where you got the impression that Hiro fought heavy cruisers? Can you tell me where it says Hiro's one ship has the equivalent power of a heavy cruiser? Because neither of those things are indicated in this chapter.

Are you alright? I don't mean to come across as mocking, I'm genuinely asking if you're doing okay, because you've made a whole lot of false assumptions and criticized the story based on those false assumptions.

Regardless, here's my response to said criticism (and I do hope you're doing okay):

These ships all have energy shields to buy them time, they're dogfighting, and light tends to shoot in a straight line. And in this universe (IRL universe, too), that means once you get past a certain angle, the physical equipment can't keep the directed energy engaged without physically adjusting.

By "directed energy", I'm talking about radar, microwaves, plasma, lasers, etc. And those don't get controlled to bend in any way, although the physical parts that shoot them probably allow for a certain range of angles in front of them to be hit.

This story's universe doesn't have ships capable of bending that energy after the shot is fired, which I don't think you're arguing for, but I'm mentioning it to cover all my bases.

Beyond that, space pirates aren't allowed to buy nice things (or anything at all) so almost all their ships are carrying weapons that were never intended to be carried, and can't do what the nice ships can. And the weapons that are big enough to deal heavy cruiser levels of damage are stationary enough they have to physically move the ship in order to aim the weapon once the target gets close enough.

The speed of light doesn't matter if the ship is difficult to target and/or survives long enough to maneuver out of the weapon's range of attack angles.

Conceptually, it's similar to the idea of dodging a bullet: you don't dodge the bullet, you dodge where the gun is pointing so that the bullet misses. And, if you get behind the shooter, and their arms are in casts that force them to shoot in a general frontal direction, the gun can't be pointed at you.

I can't say I'd remember such details anymore from the chapter. It's not yet the time to reread the series, either. So, I'm not sure if I was referring to the contents of this chapter or just talking about the point of having cruisers if a small ship can have as much firepower. I guess my memory isn't doing okay since I can't remember stuff like this anymore.

It's easier to move around a turret and the gun barrel than a whole ship, is it not? The thing about directed energy vs projectiles is that directed energy is practically speaking hitting at the same time you press the button, as long as we aren't talking about huge distances. Projectiles aren't that fast. That makes corrections are also a lot smoother with directed energy. Star Wars actually decided to avoid this problem by having those blasters, which are far from the speed of light. Star Trek couldn't do that, so it's relying extra heavily on energy shields.

A ship being difficult to hit would mean energy shields, disabling the enemy sensors, or cloaking devices. Or distances like that between Earth and Moon, which would start to matter significantly if the target was moving fast and unpredictably.
 
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To be clear, I am under the impression you are criticizing this story for things it isn't doing.

I can't say I'd remember such details anymore from the chapter. It's not yet the time to reread the series, either. So, I'm not sure if I was referring to the contents of this chapter or just talking about the point of having cruisers if a small ship can have as much firepower. I guess my memory isn't doing okay since I can't remember stuff like this anymore.
And this is part of why I replied the way I did, because cruisers and heavy cruisers are far more powerful than Krishna. Furthermore, Hiro isn't fighting combat ships, he's fighting lightly shielded and lightly armored civilian ships that are tuned for maximum thruster output (for running away from the law) and have whatever extra guns lying around attached to them in a very "this wasn't designed for this" way (because they need to be able to pirate civilian ships).

The art may make it look like Krishna's got far too powerful weaponry, and while it is OP for its class and size, it's not capable of defeating even destroyers head-on. Hiro has to use a special (and slow) missile designed for saturating ship shields (that literally every military and some mercenaries keep in stock), or otherwise spend a lot of time saturating the shields of a destroyer class ship before he would be able to take one down (head-on, that is).

The difference here is that you seem to be making the assumption that the battle seen in chapter 1 indicates Krishna is putting out heavy cruiser levels of power, when it's not. Pirate ships are just weak because pirates can only fly ships they steal and their tactics is to hit civilian ships with their modded civilian ships.

The 1v3 win result would have been the same even if the person being attacked was a slightly above average mercenary with a normal mercenary ship because mercenaries can pay for good quality ships designed for combat.

It's easier to move around a turret and the gun barrel than a whole ship, is it not? The thing about directed energy vs projectiles is that directed energy is practically speaking hitting at the same time you press the button, as long as we aren't talking about huge distances. Projectiles aren't that fast. That makes corrections are also a lot smoother with directed energy. Star Wars actually decided to avoid this problem by having those blasters, which are far from the speed of light. Star Trek couldn't do that, so it's relying extra heavily on energy shields.
Right, but I don't see how this works as a criticism against this story or as a rebuttal to what I said, especially in chapter 1, where the ships are shown to have energy shields. Also, Civilian ships don't have turrets designed into them, so they can't generate the necessary power to use good turrets, even if installed.

A ship being difficult to hit would mean energy shields, disabling the enemy sensors, or cloaking devices. Or distances like that between Earth and Moon, which would start to matter significantly if the target was moving fast and unpredictably.
This part confuses me, because you're basically saying, "If X was true, then it would be fine." X does happen to be true (shields and movement from greater distances in some of the future combats), and yet you previously said it was not fine.

Or am I misreading your intentions?
 

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