Mieruko-chan - Ch. 65

[HiroHito_]

So it was really a dog..

 

[Entity_K]

Seto is gonna give Miko's dad a handjob.
I'm gonna head out with my dirty joke.

 

[gr2222]

I saw this coming. I mean, the flags were everywhere.

 

[StormSen]

I think you misunderstand where this manga's coming from, so you aren't meeting it where it really is. You're treating it like it's a real supernatural mystery series, and maybe that's because it's taken the supernatural mysteries a bit too seriously as it's gone on. But at its core, going all the way back to its origin as a Pixiv comic, Mieruko-chan is a comedy, a cruel prank being played on its main character. All the mysteries and worldbuilding comes second to tormenting this poor girl with scary monsters (and super freaks).

You keep missing the point that I and others are making. And then you follow that up with mischaracterizing the manga.

First, your argument here doesn't disagree with my complaint. I complain about the passivity, and your response is essentially "Well, that's baked in." I.e. you're not disagreeing with me.

You mischaracterize the story.

• Cruel pranks aren't comedy unless they're handled in a comedic way. E.g. Wile Coyote suffers endless pain, but it's treated comedically. (And it's pretty much his fault anyway.)
• Also, while the initial premise of the web comic is "girl who sees horrible things and just has to endure them", there's been plenty else added as well. E.g. resolution of the teacher/cat/mother trauma. Then the temple spirit/god story. And mysteries are present all over the place.
• There is also continuing drama of direct threat to Miko's life. It's far from just "she sees something horrible and has to pretend that she doesn't see it".
• And it's not the case that she simply has to endure. There's been repeated instances of dangers being countered by one means or another.

 

[Sakuma0]

leave my man alone, u bastard

 

[LookingForKeys]

Quick web search disagrees: Titles and Honorifics

Wife calling her husband "chan"? English has some not very complimentary words for such a guy.

Counter example: "oh, baby!" in any romantic or love scene ever. Words having multiple uses is nothing new.
Also, that page is definitely on the nicer side when considering it's by self-described "Japan fans". It's just not aiming for 100% accuracy.

Besides DechAmim's reply of how old using "chan" like this is, here's a better source:
https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20230901_2.html
"Usage of san/kun/chan toward kids" - before the metric ton of historical usage and opinion stats, they pull up some background and definitions

2. JP-JP dictionaries 3. Chan

• Used within the family/friends/inner circle (shin meikai, 2020)
• Used by adults toward kids, and especially between kids. Also used between lovers (and married couples) (sanseido, 2022)

Also, found this cute answer in English
https://ja.hinative.com/questions/22313488

it’s true that if you use chan on adult men, it may sound rude. However sometimes it can be used to show your affection. If you use san on your boyfriend’s name, it might sound too formal. But I think both are fine!

 

[LordTeddington]

Funny that they still have the gall to ask for donations. Guess they only act like a legitimate business when it's convenient

They still need money to keep the servers up. They're not hosting it using magic.

 

[StormSen]

Counter example: "oh, baby!" in any romantic or love scene ever. Words having multiple uses is nothing new.
Also, that page is definitely on the nicer side when considering it's by self-described "Japan fans". It's just not aiming for 100% accuracy.

Besides DechAmim's reply of how old using "chan" like this is, here's a better source:
https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20230901_2.html
"Usage of san/kun/chan toward kids" - before the metric ton of historical usage and opinion stats, they pull up some background and definitions

Also, found this cute answer in English
https://ja.hinative.com/questions/22313488

"Oh, baby!" I could argue this, but there's no point. Since it's English, it's not relevant.

nhk.or.jp: It's in Japanese, so I can't evaluate it. (Yes, I can use some auto-translate, but auto-translate is not reliable, esp for a subject like this which requires more finesse.

hinative.com: A single forum post is definitely not reliable. Aside from being too small a sample, responders could be trolling, or humoring a fool.

Hmm... But here's a link from an JP language site that supports it
https://www.fromzero.com/ask/can-a-wife-use-chan-to-her-husband

This link doesn't support it, but doesn't explicitly deny it:
https://japanalyze.com/how-to-call-wife-and-husband-in-japanese/

Update: Here's a good example. Shinzo Abe's wife called him "Shin-chan" on his deadbed.
https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/15330515
Japanese newspaper, referring to prime minister & wife, and she calls him "Shin-chan" (Shinzo is given name) in moment of great personal distress, and newspaper doesn't alter the quote. (If it was viewed as loss of face for either Abe or his wife, I don't believe that quote would be included in the article.)

So, with the Abe example, I have to conclude that it's okay (and not just a sign of being a Zero-Rizz Jerry).

In this case, "chan" is probably signifying intimate endearment rather than diminuition. (Though he was quite short when they met, so that might have played a part.)

 

[ilusatus]

Nobody like the lawful neutral type.

 

[finalm]

They still need money to keep the servers up. They're not hosting it using magic.

That would be an acceptable reason, if there was any purpose and future for this place. Given that groups are leaving en masse and the administration "handed over" (I quote) the reins to NamiComi, it can hardly be argued to be the case. Honest people would acknowledge this and take down the messages, but these guys priorities have always been elsewhere.

 

[DarkeLourd]

First, your argument here doesn't disagree with my complaint. I complain about the passivity, and your response is essentially "Well, that's baked in." I.e. you're not disagreeing with me.

Yeah, because I don't actually disagree with it as an observation. I just don't consider that a problem, just part of how the manga is. Kind of a defining aspect of the manga, actually. To the point where, if you don't like it, you should probably (respectfully) just find something else to occupy your time with.

 

[VINT64]

Well, can't hold dad home so long. He deserves going to heaven already

 

[daywithoutgames]

my experiences when i readed this chapter for the 1st time :

* i really thought "that girl" was really miko . then it turns out she is miko 's mom .

* miko is in an all-girls school , so i thought the new short-hair character was a "girl" . then it turns out he is miko 's dad .
young dad looks like the little brother of miko .

page 8 :
- young dad : ... obaa-san ...

page 9 , panel 2 :
young dad is more smaller than young mom , so maybe he is , 1 or 2 years , more younger than her . and that is why she calls him with "mamoru-chan" .

- young mom : ... watashi ...

- young dad : ... boku ...

page 15 :
for some unknown reasons , without his glasses , he can still see the ghost very clearly , but he sees everything else blurrily .

- young mom : you are yotsuya-kun , right ?

their names :
yakumo touko = eight - cloud - transparent - girl .

yotsuya mamoru = four - valley - real - defense .

page 19 :
- ghost dad : ... touko-chan ...

page 22 :
- yuria : i will go get sensei .

- hana : ... atashi ...

- michiru : this is not-comfort-able hot , yurikawa-san .

- nurse-sensei : i called your onee-san earlier .

- michiru : miko-chan 's lips pressed down very strong and very heavy on watashi 's lips . i think i am snow white , or sleeping beauty .

and then her tentacles form a heart .

page 25 :
- yuria : you are her okaa-san ?

a common plot in some " special doujinshi manga-s " :
a young mother is alone at home , and then a man , who disguises as a termite terminator , asks to enter her house , and then he **** her , lol .
and then her daughter enters the house , and then he has an " oyakodon " , lol .

- mom : ... this is termite terminator-san ...

last pages :
- miko : ... counter-measures against the oji-san ... , otou-san .

i guess : now , the grim reaper is targeting miko because of her ghost otou-san .
so maybe this is the only way : sending ghost otou-san to the heaven , and the grim reaper will stop targeting miko .

i dont hate seto kaiba-san , because otou-san is just a ghost , not an alive human , lol .

 

[StormSen]

Yeah, because I don't actually disagree with it as an observation. I just don't consider that a problem, just part of how the manga is. Kind of a defining aspect of the manga, actually. To the point where, if you don't like it, you should probably (respectfully) just find something else to occupy your time with.

(Emphasis mine to indicate what I'm responding to.)

I don't understand why anyone ever makes this argument. Obviously it's possible for someone to like some things about a work while disliking others. This argument is a go to for people who have lost an argument about a problem with a work and want the other side to go away. So when someone pulls that argument out, it's just publicly admitting "I lost, but I can't handle it." Better to not say anything at all. Better yet, just argue well.

E.g. look at my other thread here, the one on the use of "chan" for the husband. Initially I complain about it, but then after myself and others legit try to figure it out by checking sources, I conclude that it was okay, and post that, and even go back and edit my first post to reflect it.

 

[unime]

Girl inviting the guy who sees all ghost as bad isn't going to help I think
Many thanks

 

[BiaahZL]

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It's right there in the raws and it's not unheard of for women to use '-chan' when referring to their husband either?

Didn't know that, I thought that chan was for woman and san for men. Each day learning something new

 

[SilverRexy]

You mother fucker, I'll get you, you dusty old fart

 

[Lilabun]

I wonder if the dad will realize that her daughter can see her too

I think the dad already knows, but he also knows it's best for her not to talk to him. We've seen her listen to his advice in not opening doors for a strange creature, and she also put a pudding in front of him where he sat at the table. They probably both know each other knows

 

[Lilabun]

Nooooo😭 Please not dad 😭

 

[Darkbeetlebot]

I bet you nothing happens to the dad and Seto is just really confused about how his trick isn't working. Either that or the dog does a noble sacrifice to protect the dad.

Also THANK GOD MY GAY-ASS GIRL IS OKAY. I would slaughter an entire continent to keep Michiru safe. And wow, miko is the spitting fucking image of her mother. Nearly a clone.

the manga doesn’t have the Yuri tag at all >.> so were did you lot got the idea there will never be anything straight in this story?

And to this, I'll say: Doesn't need to be tagged yuri to have or be yuri. I think the OOP just meant that they were worried Miko was going to get paired up with random new guy instead of the fan favorite ship material Michiru. It's an understandable fear given how many times it's happened in the past. Think of it like collective PTSD.

Michiru being overtly gay means that doing this sort of thing would probably send all the yuri fans into lethal shock. I'd have to turn making fics on AO3 of those two into a full time job just to keep the shippers alive.