Mizu Zokusei no Mahoutsukai - Ch. 15

[MangaDex]

 

[okasakisan]

LOL next chapter is short but is quite something, some people will not be too happy, it has lots of what people have been complaining about lol.

 

[Mogima]

Ryo always keep his smiling eyes most of the time.
he looks like a typical sketchy character in a manga.

 

[necognes]

20 years? Damn

 

[nuttyknight89]

Page 8 & 12:
‘Specially‘ should be ’especially’ as they are two different terms.

Page 23:
you have the word ’bolin’ instead of’goblin’.


As always, thank you for the chapter.

 

[w4nzxtxgrgn]

There's something about the art that's off to my eyes. It feels like CG? I'm reminded of the weird dragon that talks to Ryo via telepathy. And why is Abel's eyes so skuzzy...

 

[elrorro]

wait, does Ryo not age anymore or something? He doesn't look a day over 18-19 years old.

 

[Kefrayba]

LOL next chapter is short but is quite something, some people will not be too happy, it has lots of what people have been complaining about lol.

I went and check out the raw. That's not an overstatement.
I would like to add that some of the panel even looks slightly unfinished or felt more like first or second draft. Probably because this artist barely do any hashing on the characters to give them more dimensions.

 

[xaraphina]

wait, does Ryo not age anymore or something? He doesn't look a day over 18-19 years old.

Your answer is on the last page of ch1

 

[RottenCheese0173]

There's something about the art that's off to my eyes. It feels like CG? I'm reminded of the weird dragon that talks to Ryo via telepathy. And why is Abel's eyes so skuzzy...

Definitely CG

 

[okasakisan]

wait, does Ryo not age anymore or something? He doesn't look a day over 18-19 years old.

He has a hidden skill called "eternal youth" even he doesn't know about it only God knows

 

[okasakisan]

I went and check out the raw. That's not an overstatement.
I would like to add that some of the panel even looks slightly unfinished or felt more like first or second draft. Probably because this artist barely do any hashing on the characters to give them more dimensions.

Lolol you just couldn't wait, acting like a like a little kid, I'm not mad, just disappointed. lol

 

[Primetimecrime]

There's something about the art that's off to my eyes. It feels like CG? I'm reminded of the weird dragon that talks to Ryo via telepathy. And why is Abel's eyes so skuzzy...

Like almost everything is CG Models with filters over them to make them look hand drawn. Even characters have it going on with the face being the only thing that's drawing. It feels kinda lazy to me because the models aren't that good either.

 

[feha]

Lots of words look off, such as "ill" and "bolin".

And mc is a bit dumb, not realizing that magic does not have any recoil forces imparted on the caster. So he shot water jets backwards hoping to get propelled forwards, when he should have shot the water jets forwards onto himself (maybe with an ice-plane/"-armor" inbetween so he remains dry).

Although a better idea would have been to magically uniformly accelerate all water molecules in his body. Should allow for larger g-forces without harming the body (because we are so many percentages water; though might want to apply weaker force to the molecules inside blood, to ensure he doesn't accidentally "centrifuge"/unmix the blood as a result of it being a liquid able to move independently from the body. One with likely lower inertia too (if you accelerate only water molecules), due to having a higher ratio of water than tissue. Might be good to go easier on the brain too, for similar reasons), and not need to worry about getting wet or the like. That way the result is near identical to simply changing the direction and strength of gravity, meaning it is experienced as free-fall without any actually detectable acceleration... ...except for the fact that all non-water matter is going to act as mass with inertia.

 

[okasakisan]

Lots of words look off, such as "ill" and "bolin".

yea, im too lazy to use apostrophes and "bolin" is supposed to goblin lol, someone had already pointed it out i just havent fix it.

So he shot water jets backwards hoping to get propelled forwards, when he should have shot the water jets forwards onto himself

well, the waters jet worked when he used them underwater, so he thought they would work on the ground, sadly he was wrong, that second half about using the jets onto him self sounds possible, you are cooking with that one.

Although a better idea would have been to magically uniformly accelerate all water molecules in his body

i thought you were cooking here but no, by controlling the the water molecules in the body, the organs and blood and changing their movement direction you are basically stopping their normal functions, blood wouldnt flow normally, the heart and lungs wouldnt be able to work normally, you would probably end up killing your self.
Your first idea about shooting water jets onto him self is better, but even then i doubt it would even come close to the speed that wind magic gives you.

 

[feha]

yea, im too lazy to use apostrophes and "bolin" is supposed to goblin lol, someone had already pointed it out i just havent fix it.

well, the waters jet worked when he used them underwater, so he thought they would work on the ground, sadly he was wrong, that second half about using the jets onto him self sounds possible, you are cooking with that one.

i thought you were cooking here but no, by controlling the the water molecules in the body, the organs and blood and changing their movement direction you are basically stopping their normal functions, blood wouldnt flow normally, the heart and lungs wouldnt be able to work normally, you would probably end up killing your self.
Your first idea about shooting water jets onto him self is better, but even then i doubt it would even come close to the speed that wind magic gives you.

Wind magic can only accelerate the body through external forces, having a hard limit in g-forces you can make use of.
Internally accelerating is better because it means the body will for the main-part think it is in free-fall (aka 0g), and thus actual g's won't matter (as much; less crushing forces, blood is not pooling in parts of the body, etc). It will be experienced as the equivalent of if you accelerated the non-water parts the opposite direction. And with water being the majority of the body that is much less matter and inertia to care about.
And yes, I mentioned that some stuff needs a more delicate touch, because of how you otherwise get similar effects as sedimentation/centrifuging due to not being 100% water. But the problems you describe should not be too much of an issue, due to how you are not only accelerating the blood but also the other tissues as well (because yes, bloodbending is a bad bad idea, due to spiking pressures in the blood vessels). But yes, that is another part why I think it might be a good idea to apply less force on the liquid parts of the body - higher ratio of water means same amount of force per molecule = higher amount of force per volume/moles, so toning it down should get it at same or lower.

 

[Solipsist]

The author is smoking something fierce, if he thinks that anyone gives a damn about the dungeon tidbits. Just the long-arse meeting alone is weird.

@feha
For the sake of argument, if what you're saying is feasible to control with a human brain, under the umbrella of "water magic", you'll still have a lot of matter within the body that cannot be classified as water, and would wreck the whole thing together.
Internal-acceleration frankly sounds worse to me, than better. It also does not at all means you'd have no "sensation of g-force". You'd feel pressure, if you apply pressure onto the body. There's no playing around that.

The best-case-scenario for wind-magic, is to either create a funnel of vacuum between two points, or a "wind barrier", to travel quickly and lessen the burden on the body by negating air-resistance.
Chucking your insides against air, will still create air-resistance, and will still generate damage to the body.

I've put too much time typing this comment for this comic...

 

[okasakisan]

Wind magic can only accelerate the body through external forces, having a hard limit in g-forces you can make use of.
Internally accelerating is better because it means the body will for the main-part think it is in free-fall (aka 0g), and thus actual g's won't matter (as much; less crushing forces, blood is not pooling in parts of the body, etc). It will be experienced as the equivalent of if you accelerated the non-water parts the opposite direction. And with water being the majority of the body that is much less matter and inertia to care about.
And yes, I mentioned that some stuff needs a more delicate touch, because of how you otherwise get similar effects as sedimentation/centrifuging due to not being 100% water. But the problems you describe should not be too much of an issue, due to how you are not only accelerating the blood but also the other tissues as well (because yes, bloodbending is a bad bad idea, due to spiking pressures in the blood vessels). But yes, that is another part why I think it might be a good idea to apply less force on the liquid parts of the body - higher ratio of water means same amount of force per molecule = higher amount of force per volume/moles, so toning it down should get it at same or lower.

well, regardless of how you move you will experience G forces, is not like there is a magic way to not feel them which is why astronauts/air force pilots train to withstand them for a bit.

If we go by anime logic G forces have never really matter in speed battles but i could say the same thing about moving your water molecules with water magic soo we are both wrong and right lol.

I still believe your first idea was the better one because it requires less brain power, you just create a water jet to push your body instead of trying to carefully control water molecules in your body and not wreck your body.

The best-case-scenario for wind-magic, is to either create a funnel of vacuum between two points, or a "wind barrier", to travel quickly and lessen the burden on the body by negating air-resistance.

This, i watched a show a couple months ago where they did this, had to run somewhere fast and they enhanced their muscles to move faster, then they used wind magic to makes them selves lighter and move faster while holding a wing barrier in front of them to prevent winds resistance on their body.

 

[feha]

The author is smoking something fierce, if he thinks that anyone gives a damn about the dungeon tidbits. Just the long-arse meeting alone is weird.

@feha
For the sake of argument, if what you're saying is feasible to control with a human brain, under the umbrella of "water magic", you'll still have a lot of matter within the body that cannot be classified as water, and would wreck the whole thing together.

Yes, like I said we aren't 100% water (what was the number ppl usually say anyway? 70%?), so there would be around a third of our mass that is not accelerated. But from what I understand, that matter is very interconnected with the water, so aside from the actual liquids inside the body pulling on the water should also pull the matter directly attached to it. Only stuff like bones and teeth is probably quite dry (relatively speaking), but they are also the stuff that can take the "external" force they experience.

Remember that even when you push on your back, all the exact same force is applied on the rest of your body squishing it together, only difference is that it exerts much more stress on the outer tissues on your back, before they in turn exert force on the bones, which in turn exert force on other bones and on the stuff around them (sort of similar like when you push on the water, except much more concentrated stresses as it has to evenly distribute forces in a less even manner, if oyu get what I mean?).

Internal-acceleration frankly sounds worse to me, than better. It also does not at all means you'd have no "sensation of g-force". You'd feel pressure, if you apply pressure onto the body. There's no playing around that.

If you accelerate all the matter evenly, instead of by pushing on a surface, then that is indistinguishable from gravity. And as such you won't experience g-forces. Like I already said it is an approximation, as you actually have like a third of your body's mass that in turn has to have the force distributed to and exerted on it, though possibly you will only barely sense it anyway since the parts where we have sensors are rather wet (aka skin/tissues, as well as the liquid in our balance organ).

You only really feel pressure normally, because you distribute the pressure unevenly (i.e an external force).

Most inertia dampeners work in exactly the same way, unless they literally bend space to ensure the space inside does not move along with the space outside.

The best-case-scenario for wind-magic, is to either create a funnel of vacuum between two points, or a "wind barrier", to travel quickly and lessen the burden on the body by negating air-resistance.
Chucking your insides against air, will still create air-resistance, and will still generate damage to the body.

Yes, air resistance can also be an issue. That is true. And the solution is pretty much always the same: build a windshield (and preferably enclose entirely so you don't leave all your air behind and end up with a trailing vacuum that then collapse and hit your back directly, HARD).

I've put too much time typing this comment for this comic...

But it was fun, right?

 

[feha]

well, regardless of how you move you will experience G forces, is not like there is a magic way to not feel them which is why astronauts/air force pilots train to withstand them for a bit.

There is. It is called magic.
Or if you want a more hard sci fi way: gravity/space-bending. Any force that is equally applied on all atoms of a body, is impossible to detect (for that body). Hence why free-fall is free-fall (0g). And similarly, moving the space itself won't be possible to notice (and some argue that that is (mathematically at least) exactly what gravity is: the spacetime continuum moving into gravity-wells)

Basically, g-forces are the forces you experience as a result of the force applied on your body not having been distributed evenly. Meaning liquids like blood slosh behind and collect at the retrograde portion of your body. Similarly for balance organ's liquid, meaning your sense of balance also tells you that you are accelerating. And similarly for how the seat pushes on your body, which in turn pushes on the tissues and bones, which distributes the force until entire body is finally compressed enough that its springiness (elasticity) makes all of it accelerate the same amount.

If we go by anime logic G forces have never really matter in speed battles but i could say the same thing about moving your water molecules with water magic soo we are both wrong and right lol.

No? I did always admit that a part (a third?; is not water and) still lags behind and resulting in it, but it is both only a part, and also already much more distributed, so it will be noticed a LOT less.

I still believe your first idea was the better one because it requires less brain power, you just create a water jet to push your body instead of trying to carefully control water molecules in your body and not wreck your body.

But yes, you would need to do a lot of sensing and thinking to achieve it, so you are right about that. If we assume the magician has to micromanage everything. Depends on the magic system.

This, i watched a show a couple months ago where they did this, had to run somewhere fast and they enhanced their muscles to move faster, then they used wind magic to makes them selves lighter and move faster while holding a wing barrier in front of them to prevent winds resistance on their body.

Also why bicyclists go in a line!