Muhoutou - Vol. 6 Ch. 51 - Emi

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[Liberandum]

A lot of people were asking about chapter 6 and I finally found it and said I would translate it, but after looking at it I don't want to. It's just a rape chapter. Basically if you want the gist of it i'll give it to you, but I don't want to waste hours on that.

Misora gets raped by some dudes, they film it and release the tape, everyone thinks she's a whore, her dad kills himself by driving the family off a cliff and Misora survives.

 

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I understand with chapter 6 issue but with the dex getting nuked, having the series completed before the inevitable maybe useful for future readers on the aggregators to understand the severity of her situation. Didnt expect it to be that brutal though. I wonder how the series end now, they gonna go hermit on the island? Its a small island too so they cant really hide away completely, might as well do a public execution for this guy as a lesson.

 

[danbellucci]

Thanks for the chapter! hmm I wonder why the fishing guy isn't with them? uh oh I have a bad feeling Kite has already got them. I wonder why kite encouraged the other dude to attack Emi? he should have seen that the rapist would definitely get caught and then there's a good chance he would tell on kite . I guess kite either couldn't resisit doing something he foound interesting even though it's an unncessary risk or he just didn't think the rapist guy would tell on him.

BTW this manga poses quite an interesting, devilish moral dilemma. If a woman is trying to murder you is it really wrong for you to have your way with her? On the one hand one might say that seizing a woman in such a way is wrong, but on the other hand one would say that killing a human being trying to murder you is fair enough , as would be for example, punching a human being trying to murder you in the face, and since seizing a woman and having your way with her is less severe than killing , then surely since killing in this circumstance is considered fair enough, then seizing the woman and having your way with her should also be considered fair enough.

Quite a philosophical conundrum, I have to say.

 

[Vikingix]

Your moral dilemna sounds totally weird honestly.

First, this woman is trying to murder him cause he clearly he's a dangerous pervert, not just for fun.
Second, if someone wants to kill you, killing her can be considered fair enough, but only because this is a way to defend yourself and avoid your own death. That's killing or being killed. That's not having fun. And the only true dilemna possible is this one.
Third, raping a woman isn't better or less severe. It's just totally different, and it's also terrible in its way. It's not preventing your death but asserting your pleasure and domination.

So trying to justify a rape by preventing a death, and thinking it's actually quite fair, that make wonder what's exactly is your spirit about women...

 

[danbellucci]

Your moral dilemna sounds totally weird honestly.

First, this woman is trying to murder him cause he clearly he's a dangerous pervert, not just for fun.
Second, if someone wants to kill you, killing her can be considered fair enough, but only because this is a way to defend yourself and avoid your own death. That's killing or being killed. That's not having fun. And the only true dilemna possible is this one.
Third, raping a woman isn't better or less severe. It's just totally different, and it's also terrible in its way. It's not preventing your death but asserting your pleasure and domination.

So trying to justify a rape by preventing a death, and thinking it's actually quite fair, that make wonder what's exactly is your spirit about women...

let me ask you this. If experiencing copulation against your will isn't less severe than being killed, then are you saying that you have no preference between being killed and experiencing copulation against your will? I think we both know what the answer to that would be for the vast majority of people. Secondly, the reason it is justified to kill someone who tried to murder you isn't only because you avoid your own death by doing so , but because the person deserves to die for trying to murder you . You are giving them their "just deserts" so to speak.

as I said, it's quite a devilish moral dilemma. who knows how it can be resolved?

 

[Vikingix]

Do you really have any idea of what a rape is ?
How many people suicide themselves after such an event ?

 

[danbellucci]

Do you really have any idea of what a rape is ?
How many people suicide themselves after such an event ?

only 13% of women who have been raped attempt suicide afterwards, https://rainn.org/statistics/victims-sexual-violence and only between 1 in 11 and 1 in 25 suicide attempts are successful. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_attempt and 90% of people who attempt suicide once and survive do not go on to commit suicide https://means-matter.hsph.harvard.edu/means-matter/survival/
so about 1% of women commit suicide after being raped.

 

[Aethred]

Thanks for the chapter! hmm I wonder why the fishing guy isn't with them? uh oh I have a bad feeling Kite has already got them. I wonder why kite encouraged the other dude to attack Emi? he should have seen that the rapist would definitely get caught and then there's a good chance he would tell on kite . I guess kite either couldn't resisit doing something he foound interesting even though it's an unncessary risk or he just didn't think the rapist guy would tell on him.

BTW this manga poses quite an interesting, devilish moral dilemma. If a woman is trying to murder you is it really wrong for you to have your way with her? On the one hand one might say that seizing a woman in such a way is wrong, but on the other hand one would say that killing a human being trying to murder you is fair enough , as would be for example, punching a human being trying to murder you in the face, and since seizing a woman and having your way with her is less severe than killing , then surely since killing in this circumstance is considered fair enough, then seizing the woman and having your way with her should also be considered fair enough.

Quite a philosophical conundrum, I have to say.

From a legal standpoint, there is never a single occurence where rape is justified.
From a self-defence standpoint, there is also not a single occurence where rape is justified since rape doesn't help you get out of a hostile situation, if you're raping someone that means you've already asserted your power over them previously and are no longer in danger.
Morally, I truly have trouble following your reasoning: rape, murder, battery, theft aren't equivalent points to be measured on a morality scale, you can't just rape someone who tried to murder you and honestly think you're still an alright guy. In fact in your second comment you assume that it's alright to kill someone if they are trying to murder you, which again is wrong. Just because you are a victim doesn't mean everything is suddenly on the table.
You're generalizing some stand your ground principle to a whole situation when in reality you have to prove that you were still in danger when you murdered the person. If you've successfully neutralized them it is no longer justifiable to kill.

 

[danbellucci]

: rape, murder, battery, theft aren't equivalent points to be measured on a morality scale

I didn't make this claim. I did claim that experiencing copulation against your will is less severe than being killed, which is obviously true. and if it's justified to do a severe punishment like killing someone in some situation then one might reason that it is also justified to be merciful and do a less-severe punishment in that situation.

you assume that it's alright to kill someone if they are trying to murder you, which again is wrong.

Most people would disagree with you. It's an intuitive and near-universal part of global human moral reasoning that evil doers deserve to be punished and punishing and harming evil is a good thing.
If someone attempts to murder an innocent person then they are an evil doer and so deserve to be killed.
This is why nearly everyone would think that it is fair-enough, if someone tried to kill you, for you to kill them.
Think of for example the morality tales most action movies . the bad guy, an evil doer who deserves to die, is eventually defeated by the good guy , and at that point the good guy often has the opportunity to spare the evil doer and send him to jail, but often instead of doing that the good guy kills the bad guy and this is portrayed as a righteous, justified act and the audience cheers.

as for your reference to "stand your ground" , I provide a counter example showing that using force to defend yourself is not merely about whether the attacker poses an ongoing threat to you , but about the fact that once someone attempts to murder an innocent , they have in some sense forfeited their own right to live and so it is justified for you to attempt to kill them even if they no longer pose a significant threat to your life. see here https://forums.mangadex.org/threads/muhoutou-vol-6-ch-50-hunter-and-hunted.2265840/post-26278023