Muryoku Seijo to Munou Oujo ~Maryoku Zero de Shoukansareta Seijo no Isekai Kyuukokuki~ - Ch. 5 - Heading to Kologne

[Roodypatooti]

why are you being wishy washy about marrying a girl you're already engaged to? You clearly love her, the engagement was already set up for you so you don't even have to do anything, just go through it with already, coward. Enjoy your wife.

 

[DragoCubX]

Sure, if Santamagia was an enforced No-Men Yuri Paradise. But im being pendantic by trying to be technical, and so far we have no reason to believe that the Y chromosome exists in animalia at all in that universe. So if we are discussing it purely from an earth perspective, they are lesbians, but to Santamagians, physiological attraction between women would be the normal expectation.

in "Normal" definition, Cissexual is used as the opposite of transsexual, although it was done either without understanding the etymological meaning of the prefix cis- in latin, or intentional malice as the term refers someone who is heterosexual and does not experience any form of gender dysphoria. sure Cis- and Trans- are paired, opposite prefix in latin, but they are location based when related to eachother, "near/adjacent" and "far/across" not "Static" and "To Change", or in an extreme interpretation of how latin actually uses them: "Similar" vs "Different".

as for the earthlings: Daichi we lack information on, but we have no indication shes not gay. her reaction to being told she has an obligate GF now being partially skipped and the Flirty/deadpan/snarky interrupt in ch2 say shes giving Eldora a proper chance. Nana's Mom all of our information on her relationship with her spouse comes from Nana trying to politely tell her mom to fuck off and leave her depressed daughter alone.

as for Nana, i only interpret her as Luliam-sexual because we dont have enough information. Yes she bought "Im in love with the Villainess Book 1" for her tablet. As an author, i would specifically look for something much more niche to say that Nana is thinking about girls then one of the most popular domestic lesbian romance novels, especially since theyre working for YuriHime. All her other relationship thoughts so far have been a conflict between her anxiety/depression and her perception of Luliam's expectations. Shes approaching the relationship as a Demiromantic currently. in fact basically every actually well written romance story has the protagonist be a Demiromantic because they develop attraction rather then jump headlong into relationships

You got some serious brainworms going on there...
"If they have no concept of lesbian then it would be straight to them" - uh, what? if your argument is that they wouldn't have the term 'lesbian', how would they then have the term 'straight' instead? they'd just be missing both and look at you like a madman if you told them they're "straight"???

And if the world has only women/no concept of sexual dimorphism, there couldn't be any transsexuals (how would you physically/medically transition to something that doesn't exist), so everyone would be cissexual by default. And the people of that world would, again, look at you weirdly if you brought the concept of those terms up...

I have no idea what you're trying to get at...

(Also neither trans- nor cissexual imply heterosexuality, as those words don't talk about who someone is attracted to in the first place)

 

[toapat]

I have no idea what you're trying to get at...

its called logic.

I never called them straight, just that none of the characters from Santamagia are lesbians, and i was explaining the term that i believe to be most appropriate IF it hadnt already been misappropriated with malicious intent. Youre the first person ive ever seen that claims Cissexual isnt, rather then directly use it as, a term which includes heterosexuality in its definition. Transsexual had nothing to do with the conversation except its etymology.

Hell, i pointed out the one character we have information suggesting theyre straight we dont know if thats true, because we are very much being shown that Nana is lieing to her mother because she doesnt want to have this conversation. So while she has a "Husband", that only means she plays up a "Wife" in her relationships

 

[Comic]

Yeah I wasn't questioning the demographics of this world until this chapter when we finally saw a group shot of the village.

 

[toapat]

why are you being wishy washy about marrying a girl you're already engaged to? You clearly love her, the engagement was already set up fir you so you don't even have to do anything, just go through with already, coward. Enjoy your wife.

First of all, the Royal Marriages to the Saint arent going to be held Mid-Calamity. Santamagia is fucked up and they need to fix the world, not blow strained resources on a national festival. Kologne here is at critical depletion and its not far enough from the capital to even justify camping. a Wedding would just spark a revolt

second, Tamura is a pile of anxiety and depression. While i wouldnt call Tamura "pathetic", she absolutely is calling herself a pathetic failure every time she thinks of herself. All of her feelings are paired with the doubt "but why would Luliam love such a worthless PoS as myself"

Yeah I wasn't questioning the demographics of this world until this chapter when we finally saw a group shot of the village.

i legitimately forgot to check the villagers the first time to make sure when it was all women. I assume its just going to be mana-mixing that causes pregnancy.

 

[Mir4cu1ous1y]

toapat succeeds a spot check Thats adorable, Luliam got a matching hoodie tailored to be closer to Tamura. and Tamura got her last earth outfit duplicated

new cover art doesnt work. Tamura is surprised like shes Miho Nishizumi when the Class President flashes her at the end of GuP, not a walking pile of anxiety and depression

Tamura hit rock bottom long ago and her impact left fissures. Accepting she has value as Luliam's cissexual life partner implicitly requires that she fight her depression and aimlessness sourced from her sense of defeat as a pointless existence and lack of self worth. If she didnt have a defeatist personality, she would probably have found a bridge and commit suicide before the story began.

She lives at the bottom of a dark hole, and even admitting she wants to be able to love Luliam is a pinnacle beyond the ionosphere to her.

this was way too beeg brain for me to understand sorry

 

[toapat]

this was way too beeg brain for me to understand sorry

Depression > Horny

 

[Mir4cu1ous1y]

Depression > Horny

that might be true

 

[Shtoops]

This is very cute! Thank you for the TL!

 

[DragoCubX]

its called logic. [...]

More like mental gymnastics to arrive at a nonsensical conclusion. I may be misunderstanding what you're intending to say though, so let's give you the benefit of the doubt and let you tell me where you wanted to say something different:

1. "None of the characters from Santamagia are lesbians" -> If they "aren't lesbians", then we're already not using our world's definition of the term anymore. Ergo, you're saying they're not lesbians because there's no men that could give meaning to such a word. Correct?
2. "I never called them straight, [...] and i was explaining the term that i believe to be most appropriate [...]" -> So you would call them "straight" if the word didn't mean what it does, and it instead held a different meaning. What meaning are you trying to give that word, exactly? "Straight = Whatever is 'normal' in a society"??
3. "Cissexual" -> Frankly, I've never heard anyone use that word seriously before this. Cissexual is the counterpart to transsexual by its etymology as you're already seemingly aware. If cissexual implied heterosexuality, transsexual would have to imply not being heterosexual. The latter isn't true, hence the former can't be true either. If you wish to argue against that, you are using a definition that isn't common and I really wonder what you think that definition of these terms is.

In the end, it all seems to boil down to you assigning meanings to words no one is aware of and then wondering why your arguments seem out of touch with the world to everyone around you. Can't have a discussion if every word means something different to you than to others, might as well be speaking different languages at that point.

 

[toapat]

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1+2: our definitions implicitly are based on a world where theres more then 4 sexuality groups. Functionally, to the Santamagians where all humans, elves, and any other species are exclusively female, Straight and Lesbian mean the same thing. Both are correct, and entirely wrong.
3: look, i made the point, based in logic and what ive seen people actually speaking use it as. If youre not going to believe me, and ignore the entire point that Cis is NOT the antonym prefix, then youre wasting everyone's time. the antonym prefix to the trans in transexual is Im, not Cis, even if we dont use Im that way in english.

 

[DragoCubX]

1+2: our definitions implicitly are based on a world where theres more then 4 sexuality groups. Functionally, to the Santamagians where all humans, elves, and any other species are exclusively female, Straight and Lesbian mean the same thing. Both are correct, and entirely wrong.
3: look, i made the point, based in logic and what ive seen people actually speaking use it as. If youre not going to believe me, and ignore the entire point that Cis is NOT the antonym prefix, then youre wasting everyone's time. the antonym prefix to the trans in transexual is Im, not Cis, even if we dont use Im that way in english.

On the first point I think we actually agree in the end lol. Neither lesbian, nor straight or any such word would have a meaning in Santamagia. They mean the same thing to them, that meaning being nothing.

On the other, I just googled "are cis and trans antonyms" and was unable to find a single result that didn't say "yes, cis and trans are antonyms". So, well, it seems to me that they are. At the very least, they are used that way in English and pretending they aren't is just ignoring modern language.

 

[toapat]

On the other, I just googled "are cis and trans antonyms" and was unable to find a single result that didn't say "yes, cis and trans are antonyms". So, well, it seems to me that they are. At the very least, they are used that way in English and pretending they aren't is just ignoring modern language.

Again, not correct. there are two different prefix-Trans definitions, as both versions survive to the modern day from latin. I already knew the Cis-Trans relationship because it, in the modern day, only survives in chemistry for discussing molecular assembly. However, Transsexual does not use that definition of the prefix, as Cis and Trans are proximal relationships, Near vs Far, where as trans there means "To change", the opposite of which is "Constant", there is no prefix in english that actually MEANS "Constant", however Im serves to construct the antonyms of the common words modified with Trans

Google wont tell you this because google is not a linguist