Mushoku Tensei ~Isekai Ittara Honki Dasu~ - Ch. 108 - Strategy meeting

[shinshom]

time for round 2. That was nicely adapted.

 

[Tmil]

Geese said Zenith was spotted inside the labyrinth, but never mentioned she was trapped inside a crystal behind a hydra. If people knew there was a hydra boss, it would be the talk of the town. So it's likely no one knew about the hydra or Zenith, which makes it suspicious that Geese knew she was there.

But seeing her enter the labyrinth doesn't mean that anyone saw the boss room.
And isn't this labyrinth of difficulty S that no one has managed to conquer?



thanks for the reply

 

[popinloopy]

Thank you for the chapter! I appreciate the spoilers people are giving as well. Damn now I'm excited to see what happens next. If anyone else has some good info to share, please do.

Combine the 2-page spreads Goddammit!

It's a little bit of work and I wish it wasn't necessary, but you can see it properly by pressing the Menu button, click Single Page to turn it to Double Page, and make sure you're set to "Right to Left" instead of "Left to Right" and that should help make double page spreads look better. In the case of this chapter it doesn't add up cleanly because of the number of pages beforehand so you need to do one more step and click the "Offset Double Spreads" button as well and it will make it look like how it properly should. Then you gotta set it back to how you had it before and continue reading.

 

[Astra_Starwalker]

So geese is a traitor?

What makes you say that? It's more likely that, if he did indeed know about Zenith's state, he kept it a secret from everyone so they wouldn't start acting recklessly and lessen the chances of success. He's the - I think his role is, at least - thief of the group, the one in charge of checking for traps and such, someone like him would be considering situation and possible outcomes, too.

 

[Bibliothecarius]

Thnks for the chapter!

 

[Wildfire_desu]

haven't watched the anime or read the novel but
rip dad, i guess. and maybe someone else, since Rudeus has plot armour.

 

[Astra_Starwalker]

It's still hard to believe that Paul cares for Zenith so much when you know he didn't hesitate to knock up the help.

Just because he was constantly horny and wanted to hump every hot woman he saw, doesn't mean that his love for Zenith was any less than that of someone that was faithful would be. Love and sex are two different things, you don't have to love a person to have sex with them, you can have sex with someone just for the sake of relieving your sexual frustrations or desires.

 

[vannn]

Just because he was constantly horny and wanted to hump every hot woman he saw, doesn't mean that his love for Zenith was any less than that of someone that was faithful would be. Love and sex are two different things, you don't have to love a person to have sex with them, you can have sex with someone just for the sake of relieving your sexual frustrations or desires.

“Your Honor, I was thinking of you the entire time!”

Not denying Paul’s feelings, but knocking up the maid was a MASSIVE betrayal and his family stayed together despite Paul, not because of him. That shit doesn’t fly in 99% of relationships, at minimum it shows lack of care for his wife and children.

Imagine the reverse and Zenith came home pregnant by another man, no one would make that argument for her. More likely the comment section would explode.

 

[kaminomikan]

we know what is coming, but still... damn...

 

[Aldric3178]

Can't even be calm when saving your wife? Even asking your son to save her on your behalf? I hope you die, old man.

 

[outinthegardener]

“Your Honor, I was thinking of you the entire time!”

Not denying Paul’s feelings, but knocking up the maid was a MASSIVE betrayal and his family stayed together despite Paul, not because of him. That shit doesn’t fly in 99% of relationships, at minimum it shows lack of care for his wife and children.

Imagine the reverse and Zenith came home pregnant by another man, no one would make that argument for her. More likely the comment section would explode.

You're not wrong, but it's also an issue of "cultural differences in another world." Zenith is from Millis and follows a religion that practices monogamy. Paul is from the Asura Kingdom, which is less strict about it. Also Paul's family, the Greyrats, are notoriously horny nobles. He's polygamous and genuinely loves his wives. Still should have cleared it with Zenith before impregnating Lilia.

FWIW, the reverse example exists in Cliff and Elinalise. He's a Millis follower, she has a curse where if she doesn't fuck she'll die. They discussed it before becoming a couple and Cliff decided he was ok with it until he can fix her curse. To your point about the comment section- yeah, probably. I don't recall what people said but I'd expect varying degrees of "this is ok/this is trash."

 

[Seinvolf]

Thank u always for ur great work...
^^...

 

[NotSomeone]

Just because he was constantly horny and wanted to hump every hot woman he saw, doesn't mean that his love for Zenith was any less than that of someone that was faithful would be. Love and sex are two different things, you don't have to love a person to have sex with them, you can have sex with someone just for the sake of relieving your sexual frustrations or desires.

Yeah, but one would hope your love would outweigh your desires.
I mean, how much do you really love someone if you can't keep it in your pants for the sake of, you know, not betraying her?

 

[Astra_Starwalker]

“Your Honor, I was thinking of you the entire time!”

Not denying Paul’s feelings, but knocking up the maid was a MASSIVE betrayal and his family stayed together despite Paul, not because of him. That shit doesn’t fly in 99% of relationships, at minimum it shows lack of care for his wife and children.

Imagine the reverse and Zenith came home pregnant by another man, no one would make that argument for her. More likely the comment section would explode.

I don't know if the reverse would get a worse response or not, honestly, I don't think there would be much difference.
Also, while it's true that it was a massive betrayal, especially because Zenith had warned him already not to lay hands on the maid, as she knew he had a tendency to lay hands on women that looked good, that betrayal doesn't in itself mean that he loves Zenith any less.

If we look at places like Japan, for instance, where some of the women that were interviewed were asked "how would you feel if your man went and had sex with a prostitute?" answered various versions of "I wouldn't mind, it's not like he loves this prostitute, he paid to have sex with her to relieve his sexual frustration, that's all." because they knew that at the end of the day, they were the ones their man loved, and they are the ones that their man would always come back to.

What matters in this comic was his actions after the betrayal, and I would say he did more than make up for his betrayal, he stepped up and became a better man and took responsibility, even grew positive from it because he understood what he had done was wrong and regretted it.

 

[AlphaDovah]

This would be so much better if I could care about Paul at all positively. But between his absolutely horrible “parenting”, history of sexually assaulting women, infidelity, and generally crappy behavior, I just can’t be concerned with him.

 

[Astra_Starwalker]

Yeah, but one would hope your love would outweigh your desires.
I mean, how much do you really love someone if you can't keep it in your pants for the sake of, you know, not betraying her?

What you are talking about all comes down to your own culture, life-style, and view of things, for some people love and sex are so separate that they know it doesn't matter how many their SO has sex with, because they know their SO only has love for their SO and no one else.

On the other hand, you have those that view sex and love basically as strongly interconnected, so much so that you should only ever have sex with the person you love, no one else, and if you have sex with someone else that means you no longer love your SO.

In the case of Zenith and - I forget his name... - her husband, they are basically on complete opposite ends of the spectrum from each other, Zenith is very religious in her views of sex, love and marriage, where she believes you should only ever have sex with the one you love and plan to marry - I forget if she had him wait until they were married before she let him have sex with her or not.

While he didn't really care about all of that, to him sex was just sex, while love was something entirely separate and something I think only Zenith was able to make him feel. To him, sex was just a means to relieve his frustrations and have fun, nothing more. It wasn't until after he married Zenith that he started doing his best to control himself and remain faithful to Zenith despite having sex with only one person was entirely against who he was as a person, and then he inevitably ended up failing to stay faithful once one of his previous sexual companions (maid) - reluctant on her part, as I believe I remember she was against it at first, but then just reluctantly accepted it - from their adventuring days came to live with them as their maid.

He obviously betrayed Zenith, and what he did was obviously wrong, we're likely not disagreeing on that part, where we seem to disagree is when it comes to whether him having had sex with someone else is a sign of little love for Zenith or not, I'm of the mind that it changes nothing in terms of how much he loved Zenith, that he loved Zenith immensely before he had sex with the maid, and loved Zenith just as much as before, and even more so because she decided to forgive him and give him a chance to prove himself a changed man.

 

[Uke17]

What you are talking about all comes down to your own culture, life-style, and view of things, for some people love and sex are so separate that they know it doesn't matter how many their SO has sex with, because they know their SO only has love for their SO and no one else.

On the other hand, you have those that view sex and love basically as strongly interconnected, so much so that you should only ever have sex with the person you love, no one else, and if you have sex with someone else that means you no longer love your SO.

In the case of Zenith and - I forget his name... - her husband, they are basically on complete opposite ends of the spectrum from each other, Zenith is very religious in her views of sex, love and marriage, where she believes you should only ever have sex with the one you love and plan to marry - I forget if she had him wait until they were married before she let him have sex with her or not.

While he didn't really care about all of that, to him sex was just sex, while love was something entirely separate and something I think only Zenith was able to make him feel. To him, sex was just a means to relieve his frustrations and have fun, nothing more. It wasn't until after he married Zenith that he started doing his best to control himself and remain faithful to Zenith despite having sex with only one person was entirely against who he was as a person, and then he inevitably ended up failing to stay faithful once one of his previous sexual companions (maid) - reluctant on her part, as I believe I remember she was against it at first, but then just reluctantly accepted it - from their adventuring days came to live with them as their maid.

He obviously betrayed Zenith, and what he did was obviously wrong, we're likely not disagreeing on that part, where we seem to disagree is when it comes to whether him having had sex with someone else is a sign of little love for Zenith or not, I'm of the mind that it changes nothing in terms of how much he loved Zenith, that he loved Zenith immensely before he had sex with the maid, and loved Zenith just as much as before, and even more so because she decided to forgive him and give him a chance to prove himself a changed man.

Zenith outlined that she didn't want Paul to ever lay his hands on another woman, and he did it anyway. She established clear boundaries and he betrayed them, whilst fully knowing it would hurt her. It doesn't matter what real Japanese women's perspective on sex is, or even what Paul's perspective on it is, because at the end of the day he disregarded her feelings. When you love someone earnestly, you don't do that.

 

[vannn]

Still should have cleared it with Zenith before impregnating Lilia…

FWIW, the reverse example exists in Cliff and Elinalise…

Not really, and you seem to understand why in the previous statement.

Elinalise is up front and honest about sleeping with other people. Cliff knew what kind of relationship he was getting into and accepted it. Zenith discovered the infidelity by finding out her friend was pregnant by her husband.

 

[Aureliano]

They did my girl dirty in that volume cover.

 

[Hadski]