Muta Naru Mono no Inori - Ch. 2 - Her Quest

[MangaDex]

 

[musicfreak12]

Interesting. I do not know where this is going but I'm in

 

[cryum]

spots in your lungs is not "just a fever"

What was her goal in philosophy? To make a "computer" that can pray doesn't feel particular special if it still needs a person to input. It wasn't an artificial intelligence, nor a translator for an existing phenomena, just a tool to use for someone or something already capable of praying.

 

[jesuscristo]

that's quite a tame version of the cat piano

 

[tipkabound]

Page 4 makes me realize that reading long essay can be made more enjoyable by inserting images of anime girl between paragraphs. Perhaps this is the secret behind the success of light novel

 

[Mangamoz]

Too deep for my small brain.

Will still see how this ends in ch5

 

[feha]

No offense mc, but it still really doesn't feel like she actually knows everything.

And her first idea seems to have been better, since a computer can do much more soul stuff than an organ can. The former is autonomous, while the latter is entirely mechanical and only acts directly in response to user-input.

that's quite a tame version of the cat piano

Are you referring to bongo cat?

 

[GreyArea]

She's trying to do art, or the translation and sharing of subjective experience, something not ultimately knowable. Praying could be seen as the act of intentional sharing of our mental state to the godhead. Music is often said to have rules that we realize but no one created, so is associated with ideas of the eternal.

A computer is a tool, an extension of our senses and limbs. It makes things fast, but it's not the things themselves, so it could only be seen from a utility perspective and is beside the point.

Just my two cents.

 

[JamesBunny]

No offense mc, but it still really doesn't feel like she actually knows everything.

characters in stories are only as smart as the author is, obviously nobody irl knows everything, so there Is flaws

 

[feha]

characters in stories are only as smart as the author is, obviously nobody irl knows everything, so there Is flaws

No, I was thinking more like how she does not know that she is sick.
Or how she does not seem to know all the details about the soul/god (and whether or not either exists), consciousness, and how to interact with and/or create it. And thus had to figure stuff out and experiment.
And so on.

The only thing that is explainable with the author not knowing it themselves, is how she is unaware of how computers are turing-complete and theoretically can emulate human biology. And as such can be made to have as much of a soul/consciousness as a human does. Because that is knowledge one would have to know, to know that she should know it (unlike the other ones).

 

[JJTheWeeb]

No, I was thinking more like how she does not know that she is sick.
Or how she does not seem to know all the details about the soul/god (and whether or not either exists), consciousness, and how to interact with and/or create it. And thus had to figure stuff out and experiment.
And so on.

The only thing that is explainable with the author not knowing it themselves, is how she is unaware of how computers are turing-complete and theoretically can emulate human biology. And as such can be made to have as much of a soul/consciousness as a human does. Because that is knowledge one would have to know, to know that she should know it (unlike the other ones).

She has knowledge of everything, but she is not omniscient (aware and knowing of everything at every moment).
To use your knowledge, you have to think about it, and it's not like our body can always just feel what's happening inside our organs. It's why we need to run tests to find out about breast cancer and stuff like that, you can't find it out yourself.

Granted, it could be argued that she should've recognized symptoms, but asymtomatic diseases are a thing too.

It's also arguable that the topic of a soul is based in philosophy rather than objective fact (which would be what's included in the everything), and so that's why she's got no concrete definition for it

Do wonder if there's better connotation of what the author meant by "everything" that was lost in translation

 

[feha]

She has knowledge of everything, but she is not omniscient (aware and knowing of everything at every moment).
To use your knowledge, you have to think about it, and it's not like our body can always just feel what's happening inside our organs. It's why we need to run tests to find out about breast cancer and stuff like that, you can't find it out yourself.

You do not know everything, if you are not omniscient. Like, how are you meant to know that alien A on planet C really likes alien B, if you do not have omniscience? Or more like, "omniscience" is pretty much defined as "knowing everything".

Granted, it could be argued that she should've recognized symptoms, but asymtomatic diseases are a thing too.

No need to actually use your knowledge (recognize symptoms) when you already know that your body is sick (and with what and why).

It's also arguable that the topic of a soul is based in philosophy rather than objective fact (which would be what's included in the everything), and so that's why she's got no concrete definition for it

Then she would know that there is no concrete definition for it, and that she is on an entirely fools errand trying to come up with one (since as aforementioned in first half of this sentence, it doesn't exist).

Do wonder if there's better connotation of what the author meant by "everything" that was lost in translation

Yeah, like I said it really feels like she doesn't know everything. Instead it feels like she merely knows all physical laws of the universe - though even that seems off as she knew of the concept of "computer" and that it would be named as such if anyone invented it.

 

[JJTheWeeb]

You do not know everything, if you are not omniscient. Like, how are you meant to know that alien A on planet C really likes alien B, if you do not have omniscience? Or more like, "omniscience" is pretty much defined as "knowing everything".

No need to actually use your knowledge (recognize symptoms) when you already know that your body is sick (and with what and why).

Then she would know that there is no concrete definition for it, and that she is on an entirely fools errand trying to come up with one (since as aforementioned in first half of this sentence, it doesn't exist).

Yeah, like I said it really feels like she doesn't know everything. Instead it feels like she merely knows all physical laws of the universe - though even that seems off as she knew of the concept of "computer" and that it would be named as such if anyone invented it.

rereading the first chapter, it's stated
she was born knowing all that could about the world
so yea, we just kinda just ignore the actual line used by the scanlayors lol, the frame of reference was the world rather than everything

 

[feha]

rereading the first chapter, it's stated
she was born knowing all that could about the world
so yea, we just kinda just ignore the actual line used by the scanlayors lol, the frame of reference was the world rather than everything

She is part of the world. So knowing all about the world, includes knowing all about herself (transitive property) - including her body and its ails, past present and future.

 

[JJTheWeeb]

She is part of the world. So knowing all about the world, includes knowing all about herself (transitive property) - including her body and its ails, past present and future.

World could also mean planet, aka natural phenomena, which doesn't include the people themselves (there's also no time mentioned, so this would imply only the constants are known, again, natural phenomena)