Nidome no Yuusha
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He is not edgy, he is a straight psychopath. I LOVED IT. He is consistent, the targets of his revenge are set and to some degree to those related to them and won't change. I love good character development with consistence. So far, 3 chapters, it had it. I will keep reading this one.
Also, calling him edgy is the same as calling Arya Stark from Game of Thrones, edgy. They both are vengeance machines. It is just that this dude got his mentality warped by the betrayal.
Still, as the Isekai goes, the clichés applies, game-world, OP skill system, and for some Reason, slaves. I do enjoy isekai, but that slave part needs to be well done, otherwise is just creepy.
Also, calling him edgy is the same as calling Arya Stark from Game of Thrones, edgy. They both are vengeance machines. It is just that this dude got his mentality warped by the betrayal.
Still, as the Isekai goes, the clichés applies, game-world, OP skill system, and for some Reason, slaves. I do enjoy isekai, but that slave part needs to be well done, otherwise is just creepy.
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So many damn manipulative summoners in these stories, very nice reading one where he starts out not only aware of it, but also with some actual ability (while many have OP power, very few seem to ever know how to actually uze it, let alone at the start). The loss of morality he has will hopefully also prevent the softheartedness so many manga MCs end up having once they are finally in a position to get their revenge. Have to say. Whether it turns out good or not, I will at least give it a good run.
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i've read people saying similar things about mei chan daily life ; wouldn't want to meet them.
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I read it. While there is a lot to criticize, I think everyone is missing the giant problem that is the premise of this story and how the author utterly fails at writing a revenge story from its conception.
A revenge story is about a MC trying to get his righteous retribution against his betrayers, this is on the assumption that the latter know what they did to him so we can see their utter despair when they realize who the MC is and what he will do to them once they are beaten. This is catharsis for the reader, we enjoy watching retribution get dispensed upon deserving assholes for everything they did to the MC.
But we won't (fully) experience that in this revenge story because the author is so fucking dumb that he removes this element by having the MC travel back in time and therefore his betrayers have no idea why they deserve the MCs retribution at all, in fact they would feel wronged. This is really unsatisfying for the reader.
Nobody knows what the betrayers did to MC because they haven't even done it and they never will be able to in this new timeline. The populace will not see the MCs actions as retribution because the betrayers have not done anything wrong to him and they would be right, they would just see the MC as a psychopath.
This is how you ruin a revenge story from its very premise, when you don't understand the basic guidelines to make a revenge story work. If you want to read a similar series, then I recommend reading Sairin Yuusha no Fukushuu Hanashi once/if it gets adapted, because while it might have a more mild tone comparatively, it does a revenge story right unlike this failure.
A revenge story is about a MC trying to get his righteous retribution against his betrayers, this is on the assumption that the latter know what they did to him so we can see their utter despair when they realize who the MC is and what he will do to them once they are beaten. This is catharsis for the reader, we enjoy watching retribution get dispensed upon deserving assholes for everything they did to the MC.
But we won't (fully) experience that in this revenge story because the author is so fucking dumb that he removes this element by having the MC travel back in time and therefore his betrayers have no idea why they deserve the MCs retribution at all, in fact they would feel wronged. This is really unsatisfying for the reader.
Nobody knows what the betrayers did to MC because they haven't even done it and they never will be able to in this new timeline. The populace will not see the MCs actions as retribution because the betrayers have not done anything wrong to him and they would be right, they would just see the MC as a psychopath.
This is how you ruin a revenge story from its very premise, when you don't understand the basic guidelines to make a revenge story work. If you want to read a similar series, then I recommend reading Sairin Yuusha no Fukushuu Hanashi once/if it gets adapted, because while it might have a more mild tone comparatively, it does a revenge story right unlike this failure.
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@bladestorm91 None of these characters or their causes ever feel righteous to me since I don't believe in the idea of an objective morality, to begin with, all I see is a guy killing someone because that person either killed them or wronged them in some way and now they want to see them suffer for it, I just like it when the MC is having a good time.
gaigous, I agree. While (and I am sure this will baffle a lot of people) I have been told that my morals are too high (particularly during a college course on the subject matter)...
To me a "righteous" cause would not be revenge in the first place. It would be attempting to show the person what they did wrong and make them a better person with it. In a human sense (with human capability) this is hardly through revenge. It would be through forgiveness and understanding.
However, ridiculously moral as I may be... My compass is... Twenty-Six dimensional. My personal preference for hell would be re-experiencing the malicious intent done against others, from their perspective, until the fact that it was wrong, and why, is burned into the very soul... Ths, however, cannot really be considered righteous, but neither can bladestorm91's suggestion.
(Righteousness isn't a malicious thing, if it is... It isn't righteous, and revenge is almost always malicious. "As revenge for that lovely gift, I got you a better one." can sound good, or bad and mostly because of the word 'revenge'.)
mikegnesium, I 1000% agree. They need counseling. If anything, it is a depressing story (if it wasn't a gore hentai, she probably would have met a surgeon who used her regenerative abilities to make replaceable parts... But I don't remember if it explored what happened if her organs were put into someone else and don't want to reopen that can of worms - it was already off when I dared to the first time, I shutter to think how spoiled it is now...
Daw, crap, forgot to add, I wonder if someone will come up.with an Isekai or a Tensei of super regeneration being used for replaceable parts surgery... It is a slightly darker path that "The Wrong Way To Use Healing Magic" could have taken...
And, lastly, I know why he picked her. They have the same eyes...
To me a "righteous" cause would not be revenge in the first place. It would be attempting to show the person what they did wrong and make them a better person with it. In a human sense (with human capability) this is hardly through revenge. It would be through forgiveness and understanding.
However, ridiculously moral as I may be... My compass is... Twenty-Six dimensional. My personal preference for hell would be re-experiencing the malicious intent done against others, from their perspective, until the fact that it was wrong, and why, is burned into the very soul... Ths, however, cannot really be considered righteous, but neither can bladestorm91's suggestion.
(Righteousness isn't a malicious thing, if it is... It isn't righteous, and revenge is almost always malicious. "As revenge for that lovely gift, I got you a better one." can sound good, or bad and mostly because of the word 'revenge'.)
mikegnesium, I 1000% agree. They need counseling. If anything, it is a depressing story (if it wasn't a gore hentai, she probably would have met a surgeon who used her regenerative abilities to make replaceable parts... But I don't remember if it explored what happened if her organs were put into someone else and don't want to reopen that can of worms - it was already off when I dared to the first time, I shutter to think how spoiled it is now...
Daw, crap, forgot to add, I wonder if someone will come up.with an Isekai or a Tensei of super regeneration being used for replaceable parts surgery... It is a slightly darker path that "The Wrong Way To Use Healing Magic" could have taken...
And, lastly, I know why he picked her. They have the same eyes...
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After reading manga especially Chinese(manhwa) and their obsession wit martial arts and strong dominanting the weak I stopped about finding “righteousness” in these things ?
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@Aricitic The people whom Ueki Kaito is seeking revenge upon are people who are irredeemable, plain and simple. The WN does a pretty damn good job conveying this point. Now, whether you like that or not is totally up to you (or anyone else).
Righteousness or not, they (the antagonists) will never admit that they were in the wrong because nearly every person that Ueki will be seeking out to kill does not see what they did as "wrong". In the Princess's eyes, what she (and her parents) did were "righteous" and "just", because that is how they are as people. For fucks' sake,
Nearly every being in the fantasy world Ueki is in is extremely cruel and ruthless.
mikegnesium, I 1000% agree. They need counseling.
How about you get off your moral high horse and realize that different people have different standards for things. By your logic, anyone who loves gory horror films automatically needs to visit a psych ward. You're being ridiculous here.
At the end of the day, Nidome no Yuusha is almost pure revenge pr0n, and I fucking LOVE it for that. The first scene with the princess being brutalized is amazing and when the manga catches up to what happens on her back after a time is just even better. I will be the first to admit that things seem a bit 2 dimensional but for what I've been looking for, I can accept this slight flaw when it comes bundled with some of the best revenge porn I've seen in a long while.
Not to mention, having a male main character who isn't a spineless milquetoast "virtuous" pacifist piece of shit is actually very refreshing. From what I've read of the WN so far, Ueki goes out to do exactly what he promised in his heart. The slavery cliche, well-overplayed, does make sense in this regard as Ueki needed at least one other accomplice to help him with his revenge, and found one in one of the most adorable, pcychopatic yandere-light bunny girls ever. <3 The shit that happens to
, the bun bun, is fucking horrific.
I will be frank here: from what I've read thus far, Ueki and
are actually the least twisted people of every main antagonist that I have read, thus far. I think the only character that partnered with Ueki and was true to himself was
Also, massive spoiler alert here. DO NOT CLICK ON THIS SPOILER TAG UNLESS YOU'VE READ THE WN/LN UP TO AT LEAST V2 CH10!
Righteousness or not, they (the antagonists) will never admit that they were in the wrong because nearly every person that Ueki will be seeking out to kill does not see what they did as "wrong". In the Princess's eyes, what she (and her parents) did were "righteous" and "just", because that is how they are as people. For fucks' sake,
no one who ends up knowing Ueki's origin sees him as a fucking human being. This is explicitly described in the WN and is actually the turning point after Ueki kills Maou a year before he is inevitably killed. That is the kind of people they are in this world. They see "otherworlders" as not even human, even if they look the same in every single aspect. This is a type of extreme xenophobia I rarely see in any sort of fiction, Western or Eastern, which does make everyone seem a little 2 dimentional. The beast people are the same, as they treat humans as nothing more than bags of flesh to use, abuse, then throw away, much like the humans in that world with beast people.
mikegnesium, I 1000% agree. They need counseling.
How about you get off your moral high horse and realize that different people have different standards for things. By your logic, anyone who loves gory horror films automatically needs to visit a psych ward. You're being ridiculous here.
At the end of the day, Nidome no Yuusha is almost pure revenge pr0n, and I fucking LOVE it for that. The first scene with the princess being brutalized is amazing and when the manga catches up to what happens on her back after a time is just even better. I will be the first to admit that things seem a bit 2 dimensional but for what I've been looking for, I can accept this slight flaw when it comes bundled with some of the best revenge porn I've seen in a long while.
Not to mention, having a male main character who isn't a spineless milquetoast "virtuous" pacifist piece of shit is actually very refreshing. From what I've read of the WN so far, Ueki goes out to do exactly what he promised in his heart. The slavery cliche, well-overplayed, does make sense in this regard as Ueki needed at least one other accomplice to help him with his revenge, and found one in one of the most adorable, pcychopatic yandere-light bunny girls ever. <3 The shit that happens to
Minaris (I do not like Yoshi's translation of Minnalis)
I will be frank here: from what I've read thus far, Ueki and
Minaris
the Assassin, whose job is to...well, assasinate people.
Also, massive spoiler alert here. DO NOT CLICK ON THIS SPOILER TAG UNLESS YOU'VE READ THE WN/LN UP TO AT LEAST V2 CH10!
Ueki Kaito's entire family line, friends, classmates, and just about anyone whom he knew and cared about in his original world are DEAD because they were used as catalysts to summon him to the fantasy world. 100 people where needed as catalysts and that's about as close as it gets to nearly wiping out a family line and most of the people one got along with in school. I believe his entire classroom were sacrificed as well.
IMO, this kind of near genocidal carnage is well worth seeking revenge on every people who wronged Ueki. I know I would be just as pissed and resentful.
IMO, this kind of near genocidal carnage is well worth seeking revenge on every people who wronged Ueki. I know I would be just as pissed and resentful.
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this feels like rising of the shield hero, but more extreme
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So many revenge isekai recently, well the revenge theme itself is alright but I wonder why they have to made it with game mechanics? Feeling lazy to write complicated human strength and combat aspect so turning into easier level and stat to explain them? It's as if the author was once a bullied teenager that loved rpg games so they came with this story to vent their old anger.
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