Nightmare Maker

[Thelegendarytaeyamada]

what irked me was him saying "Now you can go and read some other mediocre (and safe) manga" like its ok for him to talk smack about other ppl tastes but we cant say the same about the one he likes

ikr this manga description is very vague and the u can waste ur time reading stuff u dont like etc

if you say this manga is "visual cancer" (but why??), then you deserve to read other mediocre manga, yeah. Maybe this one is too complicated for you.

 

[straumoy]

By the way, you haven't explained why do you think the story is trash...

Okay, I'll bite and attempt to explain it to you.

The basic premise, a machine that can make you dream what you want and control said dreams ends up being addictive even after it ruins people's perception of dream/reality, is interesting. It has promise and potential for some good nightmare fuel. However, it all comes down to execution and delivery. This is where the story fails.

My chief complaint is that things progress too slow, presumably because the author wanted to cram in as many sex-scenes as possible. This also ties into the lack of variety. Everyone has the "same" dream; sex. And while I get that they're horny teens, I'd like to see some different dreams and how they'd turn into nightmares, both as "dreams" and when the machine user's try to enact their dreams in reality. I'll use the school nurse's arc to make my point.

In the manga, the machine is used on her without consent while she's sleeping in the nursery. Great move, Mr. protagonist. More on him later. Anyways, it's a wet dream, cliche about the sexy, mature nurse fucking her student(s). The plot drags along, showering us with sex scenes until the dreams bleeds over into reality. The nurse is addicted, acts out her fantasy and it ends (at the time of this writing at least) with her getting busted by another teacher as a bunch of students are essentially gang raping her. In her dreams she could have all the pleasure in the world, and control the dream. Reality is a different beast (pun intended).

Instead of this, I'd accelerate the plot more. So we'd get to the gang rape scene at school earlier and we can close off her arc. I'd close it off with her loosing her job and getting arrested for having sex with minors. This breaks her mind, since rape was never her dream, neither was facing legal consequences of her actions. It can be left open to interpretation whether or not she can "get clean" since she's freed from the machine and in jail. Basically, less horny, more horror.

Variety is the spice of life. So, I'd have more dreams that aren't just about fucking around. Getting perfect grades, having great friends, being #1 on the team, being a hero, standing up to bullies - the possibilities are endless. And since these are dreams, things the characters hope and wish for, the horror becomes extra gut wrenching when these dreams turn into nightmares because reality comes knocking. Lives ruined, fates worse than death kind of thing.

Our lead character isn't that great either. His motivation to make the machine in the first place is to have lucid dreams of the girl that rejected his confession. If this isn't bad enough, he's dense as a supermassive black hole; lending the machine to others, making more machines to satisfy demand, and loosing track of the machines in circulation. His stupid ass even asks one of his friends to dream of his crush getting fucked and use the modified version of his machine to record said dream so he can watch it on DVD later. True love is when you make porn of your lover, without them knowing let alone consent. As much as I'm for flawed protagonists, it gets very hard to root for this guy.

Modifying the machine is interesting and could push the plot forward, as well as raise the stakes. Video and photo's taken from dream recordings help further blur the line between dream and reality (photos/video are seen as proof of reality after all). Sadly, it just further extends the sex more than anything else. I'd take it further and modify how people sleep. If the dreams are so good, people don't want to leave. So they take pills to sleep longer, deeper. This changes their brain chemistry and how the machine responds. Dreams turn into nightmares, nightmares indistinguishable from real life. A nightmare they'll be unable to wake up from.

The addiction also ought to reflect on the user's appearance. It ought to be the more they use it, the more like shit they look. It makes sense, since they're perfect in their dreams and they sleep more than they brush their teeth, shower, etc. This goes against the horny of course, so I suspect that's the reason why the story doesn't go that route.

TL;DR - Interesting premise fails to deliver because of horny, pacing issues because of horny, and an MC that's hard to root for.

 

[XenoAshura]

this is disgusting and it shouldn't exist.
the only reason i come back to it is to see the moment where everything finally crash and burn...

 

[CrimsonKing0098]

if you say this manga is "visual cancer" (but why??), then you deserve to read other mediocre manga, yeah. Maybe this one is too complicated for you.

complicated? dude this slop is just horny garbage idk why ur so pressed about this shit i already told you the visual cancer thing was an expression to relate how awful this manga was to read someone here posted a wall of text about why this shit isnt even worth calling it mid i suggest you to read actual quality manga instead of slop

 

[CrimsonKing0098]

Okay, I'll bite and attempt to explain it to you.

The basic premise, a machine that can make you dream what you want and control said dreams ends up being addictive even after it ruins people's perception of dream/reality, is interesting. It has promise and potential for some good nightmare fuel. However, it all comes down to execution and delivery. This is where the story fails.

My chief complaint is that things progress too slow, presumably because the author wanted to cram in as many sex-scenes as possible. This also ties into the lack of variety. Everyone has the "same" dream; sex. And while I get that they're horny teens, I'd like to see some different dreams and how they'd turn into nightmares, both as "dreams" and when the machine user's try to enact their dreams in reality. I'll use the school nurse's arc to make my point.

In the manga, the machine is used on her without consent while she's sleeping in the nursery. Great move, Mr. protagonist. More on him later. Anyways, it's a wet dream, cliche about the sexy, mature nurse fucking her student(s). The plot drags along, showering us with sex scenes until the dreams bleeds over into reality. The nurse is addicted, acts out her fantasy and it ends (at the time of this writing at least) with her getting busted by another teacher as a bunch of students are essentially gang raping her. In her dreams she could have all the pleasure in the world, and control the dream. Reality is a different beast (pun intended).

Instead of this, I'd accelerate the plot more. So we'd get to the gang rape scene at school earlier and we can close off her arc. I'd close it off with her loosing her job and getting arrested for having sex with minors. This breaks her mind, since rape was never her dream, neither was facing legal consequences of her actions. It can be left open to interpretation whether or not she can "get clean" since she's freed from the machine and in jail. Basically, less horny, more horror.

Variety is the spice of life. So, I'd have more dreams that aren't just about fucking around. Getting perfect grades, having great friends, being #1 on the team, being a hero, standing up to bullies - the possibilities are endless. And since these are dreams, things the characters hope and wish for, the horror becomes extra gut wrenching when these dreams turn into nightmares because reality comes knocking. Lives ruined, fates worse than death kind of thing.

Our lead character isn't that great either. His motivation to make the machine in the first place is to have lucid dreams of the girl that rejected his confession. If this isn't bad enough, he's dense as a supermassive black hole; lending the machine to others, making more machines to satisfy demand, and loosing track of the machines in circulation. His stupid ass even asks one of his friends to dream of his crush getting fucked and use the modified version of his machine to record said dream so he can watch it on DVD later. True love is when you make porn of your lover, without them knowing let alone consent. As much as I'm for flawed protagonists, it gets very hard to root for this guy.

Modifying the machine is interesting and could push the plot forward, as well as raise the stakes. Video and photo's taken from dream recordings help further blur the line between dream and reality (photos/video are seen as proof of reality after all). Sadly, it just further extends the sex more than anything else. I'd take it further and modify how people sleep. If the dreams are so good, people don't want to leave. So they take pills to sleep longer, deeper. This changes their brain chemistry and how the machine responds. Dreams turn into nightmares, nightmares indistinguishable from real life. A nightmare they'll be unable to wake up from.

The addiction also ought to reflect on the user's appearance. It ought to be the more they use it, the more like shit they look. It makes sense, since they're perfect in their dreams and they sleep more than they brush their teeth, shower, etc. This goes against the horny of course, so I suspect that's the reason why the story doesn't go that route.

TL;DR - Interesting premise fails to deliver because of horny, pacing issues because of horny, and an MC that's hard to root for.

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[Thelegendarytaeyamada]

this is disgusting and it shouldn't exist.
the only reason i come back to it is to see the moment where everything finally crash and burn...

Instead it exists.

Seriously, who do you think you are to say that a manga shouldn't exist? If you don't like it, that doesn't mean there aren't people who may like it, or at least people who can appreciate its many messages

 

[CrimsonKing0098]

Instead it exists.

Seriously, who do you think you are to say that a manga shouldn't exist? If you don't like it, that doesn't mean there aren't people who may like it, or at least people who can appreciate its many messages

this gotta be bait aint no way porn has rotted your brain this much

 

[Thelegendarytaeyamada]

this gotta be bait aint no way porn has rotted your brain this much

Dude, this manga goes beyone porn. In fact I never fapped to it. Despite the numerous sex scene, this remains a drama. Anyway, miss Cuvie has also made some real hentai manga, if you are interested. They are good too, despite they are mostly short stories. I wanted to translate them too, but I don't have time right now, unfortunately.

Now, in my life I've read all kind of manga, including stuff I didn't like at all, but NEVER I said or thought those were "visual cancer". Only uneducated kids would use those words.

 

[CrimsonKing0098]

Dude, this manga goes beyone porn. In fact I never fapped to it. Despite the numerous sex scene, this remains a drama. Anyway, miss Cuvie has also made some real hentai manga, if you are interested. They are good too, despite they are mostly short stories. I wanted to translate them too, but I don't have time right now, unfortunately.

Now, in my life I've read all kind of manga, including stuff I didn't like at all, but NEVER I said or thought those were "visual cancer". Only uneducated kids would use those words.

"Only uneducated kids would use those words" it was once again im explaining to you an exggerated expression of how bad the writing was that it and lets not kid ourselfs you are making something shallow way deeper than it actually is
dont be a rick and morty fan

 

[Thelegendarytaeyamada]

"Only uneducated kids would use those words" it was once again im explaining to you an exggerated expression of how bad the writing was that it and lets not kid ourselfs you are making something shallow way deeper than it actually is
dont be a rick and morty fan

Bad writing? Lol...What's bad in it?
YOU still haven't explained why you think this manga is "visual cancer", though.

 

[CrimsonKing0098]

Bad writing? Lol...What's bad in it?
YOU still haven't explained why you think this manga is "visual cancer", though.

someone else basically summed up for me "cool premised executed so poorly its still running"
the mc is a mix of dense and sex deviant this manga looks like a cheap hentai
idk why u think this slop is deep,its really not just another of those "shoulda been a hentai" mangas not surprised tho since the
mangaka made hentai before wich explains why the writting is so ass

 

[Thelegendarytaeyamada]

someone else basically summed up for me "cool premised executed so poorly its still running"
the mc is a mix of dense and sex deviant this manga looks like a cheap hentai
idk why u think this slop is deep,its really not just another of those "shoulda been a hentai" mangas not surprised tho since the
mangaka made hentai before wich explains why the writting is so ass

She made various manga in her long career, including a manga about ballet recently...just because she made ALSO hentai, that doesn't mean shit. If you see only the sex scenes in this manga it's your problem, not the author's problem.

 

[mug3n]

I thought things got a little better and scanlator wars and petty feuds in credit pages were a thing of the past, but it didn't. How can you get so involved emotionally to a definetly not hentai manga to even call out other users in your credits page because they call it trash. Holy shit, get a grip 🤣

 

[CrimsonKing0098]

She made various manga in her long career, including a manga about ballet recently...just because she made ALSO hentai, that doesn't mean shit. If you see only the sex scenes in this manga it's your problem, not the author's problem.

hentai arent known to have good writting buddy cmon,why u so pressed about this tho like legit is bait or ur legit this bored toargue about some mid "totally not hentai" manga

 

[Thelegendarytaeyamada]

hentai arent known to have good writting buddy cmon,why u so pressed about this tho like legit is bait or ur legit this bored toargue about some mid "totally not hentai" manga

Have you read her hentai stories?

Pah, whatever, it's useless to have a serious discussion with people who talk about "bait", "visual cancer" and stuff like that.

 

[Thelegendarytaeyamada]

I thought things got a little better and scanlator wars and petty feuds in credit pages were a thing of the past, but it didn't. How can you get so involved emotionally to a definetly not hentai manga to even call out other users in your credits page because they call it trash. Holy shit, get a grip 🤣

The scanlation is mine, I do whatever I want. If you don't like it, just read something else. Easy, right?

 

[mug3n]

The scanlation is mine, I do whatever I want. If you don't like it, just read something else. Easy, right?

I'm pretty sure that breaks the site rules, but you do you.

 

[Thelegendarytaeyamada]

I'm pretty sure that breaks the site rules, but you do you.

Just read something else, I said. This manga is clearly not for you.

 

[CrimsonKing0098]

Have you read her hentai stories?

Pah, whatever, it's useless to have a serious discussion with people who talk about "bait", "visual cancer" and stuff like that.

"it's useless to have a serious discussion with people who talk about "bait", "visual cancer" and stuff like that" my god you sound so insufferable jesus christ man ur not special for liking slop,you think you are way smarter than you actually are
this shit isnt deep u going this hard bc the author is a girl perhaps? or maybe cuz you like her hentai maybe? pipe down dude she doesnt know u neither would she care if ppl didnt like this for the last time i will say so you sensitive ass can understand

IT.AINT.THAT.DEEP

 

[mug3n]

Just read something else, I said. This manga is clearly not for you.

I was talking about calling out users you disagree with by name in the credits lol