Nobunaga no Chef - Ch. 267 - THE MOMENT OF PARTING

[MangaDex]

 

[thirtykei]

Press F to pay respect

 

[BowlOfMisoSoup]

At least they went out like absolute badasses.


Not sure how I feel about that Natsu lookalike character that was introduced at the last minute though.

 

[dahhv2]

I've always dislike the Takedas in Shogun Total War, but this manga changed it

 

[fight2live]

outnumbered, yet managed to repel three times in a row. what an absolute badasses

 

[sssr]

Some Japanese historians think that Takeda Katsuyori's final mistake was his choice to flee towards Oyamada instead of following Sanada Masayuki back to Iwabitsu Castle. While it's true that Sanada Masayuki was beset by bandits along the way, that's because he returned with less than 50 retainers. The remaining Takeda loyalists at Shinpu numbered over 500 and would have steamrolled any bandit gang trying to attack them. Masayuki was the flat-out greatest strategist of his era and was the father of the greatest of the next generation, the legendary Sanada Nobushige (Yukimura).

Shinpu Castle was burned on March 3, 1582 and Honno-ji would happen on June 23 of the same year. Sanada Masayuki was the absolute greatest siege defender of his era, repeatedly defending his Ueda Castle, each time for months on end, against enemies five to twenty times his numbers. His most likely opponent would have been Takigawa Kazumasu, the illustrious Oda retainer mostly famous today for being the birth father of Maeda Keiji, capable but nowhere near a match for the Sanada.

If Katsuyori had escaped to Iwabitsu at this time, he may well have survived to see the breakup of the Oda and the death of the traitor Anayama (killed in the hunt for survivors after Honno-ji). He would have had a chance to restore the Takeda's control over Kai as historically the samurai of Kai rebelled against the occupying Oda force right after Honno-ji and supported the Hojo clan.

 

[versyn]

I love that this manga can convey so much weight or emotion in just one or two pages. Absolutely phenomenal.

 

[Harouki]

Is it bad that when those two were saying goodbye it sounded like

“Farewell, asshole”
“Bye, jackass”

But in a totally affectionate way?

Also Katsuyori has a type

 

[NovelistOrange]

Katsuyori... o7

 

[brionacs]

If you don't have the level of toxic yaoi friendship akin to Ken and Katsuyori, is it befitting to be called as 'friendship' yet?

 

[thara]

Some Japanese historians think that Takeda Katsuyori's final mistake was his choice to flee towards Oyamada instead of following Sanada Masayuki back to Iwabitsu Castle. While it's true that Sanada Masayuki was beset by bandits along the way, that's because he returned with less than 50 retainers. The remaining Takeda loyalists at Shinpu numbered over 500 and would have steamrolled any bandit gang trying to attack them. Masayuki was the flat-out greatest strategist of his era and was the father of the greatest of the next generation, the legendary Sanada Nobushige (Yukimura).

Shinpu Castle was burned on March 3, 1582 and Honno-ji would happen on June 23 of the same year. Sanada Masayuki was the absolute greatest siege defender of his era, repeatedly defending his Ueda Castle, each time for months on end, against enemies five to twenty times his numbers. His most likely opponent would have been Takigawa Kazumasu, the illustrious Oda retainer mostly famous today for being the birth father of Maeda Keiji, capable but nowhere near a match for the Sanada.

If Katsuyori had escaped to Iwabitsu at this time, he may well have survived to see the breakup of the Oda and the death of the traitor Anayama (killed in the hunt for survivors after Honno-ji). He would have had a chance to restore the Takeda's control over Kai as historically the samurai of Kai rebelled against the occupying Oda force right after Honno-ji and supported the Hojo clan.

if they hold out in Shinano, then Nobutada wouldn’t have returned to Kyoto but rather continued the campaign here. And possibly Nobunaga would have just send troops to Hideyoshi rather than leading the army there, either way Nobutada and Nobunaga would be in 2 different places which mean that Mitsuhide wouldn’t commit the betrayal. Even if Nobunaga was at Honno-ji and was killed, Nobutada would have left some forces in Shinano and Kai then rally the army from Mino, Owari and Tokugawa, along with Shibata forces from Kaga, Hideyoshi force from chigoku and Nobutaka forces in Sakai and squeezed Mitsuhide from all fronts. With no succession crisis he would continue Nobunaga works and sooner or later the Sanada will fall.

 

[sssr]

if they hold out in Shinano, then Nobutada wouldn’t have returned to Kyoto but rather continued the campaign here. And possibly Nobunaga would have just send troops to Hideyoshi rather than leading the army there, either way Nobutada and Nobunaga would be in 2 different places which mean that Mitsuhide wouldn’t commit the betrayal. Even if Nobunaga was at Honno-ji and was killed, Nobutada would have left some forces in Shinano and Kai then rally the army from Mino, Owari and Tokugawa, along with Shibata forces from Kaga, Hideyoshi force from chigoku and Nobutaka forces in Sakai and squeezed Mitsuhide from all fronts. With no succession crisis he would continue Nobunaga works and sooner or later the Sanada will fall.

I think context matters here. Iwabitsu's advantage that was shown during the latter Tokugawa-Toyotomi contention was that it was impossible to besiege with a large army. It's a mountain castle in the boondocks. Tokugawa Hidetada found this out the hard way when he tried to besiege it with his large army, causing him to arrive late to rendezvous with Ieyasu. Basically, there was no way Nobutada would have bothered to stay in Shinano to besiege Iwabitsu himself because that was not practical. That's why Takigawa Kazumatsu would have been the most likely opponent for the Sanadas.