Noragami - Ch. 106.2 - What is Sought

[Quieo]

And be happy that Japan's work conditions are slightly improving to the point where they can slow down or take hiatuses, instead of making them churn out regular chapters until they died from overworking like in the old days.

This isn’t an improvement. The industry has always been more lenient to well established mangaka with long running series because they know the audience is going to remain hooked.

 

[Inception92]

And be happy that Japan's work conditions are slightly improving to the point where they can slow down or take hiatuses, instead of making them churn out regular chapters until they died from overworking like in the old days.

I'd say one of the things that doesn't help at all is whenever they get an anime made for their series.

Like, yeah it's great exposure, but if you think about it I feel like it makes things worse for them. Weekly artists already have to crunch pretty hard with the series, but when it comes to having an anime developed, a lot of times they're involved with that to, whether it be with character design/concept art, or clarifying whatever so the writers and animators know what's going on. I imagine there's many other things they gotta deal with as well, but those are just some ideas.

For the longest time the anime work industry was pretty damn bad. If your series got picked up to become an anime, it either released every week, year round until either it ended, ratings drop, or you the artist can't keep up with the demand to keep furthering the manga. The only other kind of release were those that adapt the manga to a certain point or to a certain extent, before either ending entirely or going the anime original ending route that almost guarantees the anime will never return.

I feel like since fixed releases with months or longer in between seasons has helped the working conditions for manga artists, to some extent at least.

 

[Kleptocracy]

This isn’t an improvement. The industry has always been more lenient to well established mangaka with long running series because they know the audience is going to remain hooked.

Still better than keeling over and dying. I don't hear much of those these days. But agree to disagree.

 

[Pallington]

to begin with, it typically being single artists/mangakas doing it all is kinda... well. You want fast updates, go read manhuas or some shit, where they have teams of artists that can actually pump out 20+ pages in a week (tho it's usually long strip so it's more like 20 page equivalent) instead of squatting on overworked mangakas and screeching loudly.

Anyways, hard stop hiatus is what took world trigger down from top spot in japan to... up high but not top spot. Manga industry has been brutal and continues to be brutal; the gap between keeling over and dying and hiatus, for well-known mangaka, is more or less luck and artist's choice. I mean, these sicknesses don't tend to get better quickly.

 

[Quieo]

to begin with, it typically being single artists/mangakas doing it all is kinda... well. You want fast updates, go read manhuas or some shit, where they have teams of artists that can actually pump out 20+ pages in a week (tho it's usually long strip so it's more like 20 page equivalent) instead of squatting on overworked mangakas and screeching loudly.

Anyways, hard stop hiatus is what took world trigger down from top spot in japan to... up high but not top spot. Manga industry has been brutal and continues to be brutal; the gap between keeling over and dying and hiatus, for well-known mangaka, is more or less luck and artist's choice. I mean, these sicknesses don't tend to get better quickly.

You think one piece is written made by a single hard working mangaka? Japan is no different from Chinese manhuas with the exception that the industry is like a hundred times as big. Funny enough long strip manhua/manwha actually takes less work to produce than manga does because it is mostly made up of blank space (the rule for manhua/manwha is less is more) or static background artwork to frame the scene between transitions often the exact same artwork with only slightly variations to indicate the passage of time. Also the characters artwork tends to be very simplistic relying more on the use of colours as selling point than detailed designs!

Really you are looking at at most a five person team and more often than not it will be a single solo artist! Buuuutttt Korea and China won’t publish shit unless it’s gone from the censors so if you include them you are looking at 20+ people on each manhua/manwha team.

 

[Pallington]

You think one piece is written made by a single hard working mangaka? Japan is no different from Chinese manhuas with the exception that the industry is like a hundred times as big. Funny enough long strip manhua/manwha actually takes less work to produce than manga does because it is mostly made up of blank space (the rule for manhua/manwha is less is more) or static background artwork to frame the scene between transitions often the exact same artwork with only slightly variations to indicate the passage of time. Also the characters artwork tends to be very simplistic relying more on the use of colours as selling point than detailed designs!

Really you are looking at at most a five person team and more often than not it will be a single solo artist! Buuuutttt Korea and China won’t publish shit unless it’s gone from the censors so if you include them you are looking at 20+ people on each manhua/manwha team.

it does really depend, doh, but there are cases where the vast majority is done more or less by one person, manga-wise. Obv that's never the case for actual anime.
"Mostly blank space" yeah ok you've read like 5 chinese manhuas and called it a day, and probably not the popular ones in china. There's plenty where blank space doesn't even hit 30% (unless you include colored background and every speech bubble but in that case manga can reach similar spots) and no shortage of them panel like mangas. They're not korean fucking long-strip style, read some more.
"simplistic"... uh, no? as far as it goes it's more or less the same??? what the fuck are you basing this on?
"gone from the censors" you don't seriously think japan has no censorship, right? they're more subtle about it, doh, but you really think the role of editor is such a huge gap?

 

[Quieo]

it does really depend, doh, but there are cases where the vast majority is done more or less by one person, manga-wise. Obv that's never the case for actual anime.
"Mostly blank space" yeah ok you've read like 5 chinese manhuas and called it a day, and probably not the popular ones in china. There's plenty where blank space doesn't even hit 30% (unless you include colored background and every speech bubble but in that case manga can reach similar spots) and no shortage of them panel like mangas. They're not korean fucking long-strip style, read some more.
"simplistic"... uh, no? as far as it goes it's more or less the same??? what the fuck are you basing this on?
"gone from the censors" you don't seriously think japan has no censorship, right? they're more subtle about it, doh, but you really think the role of editor is such a huge gap?

I think you should try reading pornographic manhua, then I expect you will get what I mean when I say most of it is blank space.


Japan has no certified censorship, it is all self censorship only, which is all brought about by a law that’s over a 100 years old and was made before the modern day printer was even invented. Manga did not exist prior to 1946~47. That is why Japan caters for every kink under the Sun but they can’t draw a penis with putting a black bar across it!

 

[Pallington]

I think you should try reading pornographic manhua, then I expect you will get what I mean when I say most of it is blank space.


Japan has no certified censorship, it is all self censorship only, which is all brought about by a law that’s over a 100 years old and was made before the modern day printer was even invented. Manga did not exist prior to 1946~47. That is why Japan caters for every kink under the Sun but they can’t draw a penis with putting a black bar across it!

pornographic

oh, that's what you mean... but that's only a (admittedly large) fraction of longstrip stuff. I don't touch that side much (read: haven't poked one since a few years).
as for censorship, yeah, the other component is that neither the audience nor the writership wants stuff to go deep, so on the political/history-writing side of things it's about as shallow as a puddle, 95% of the time. There's really only so many mangas on the level of black lagoon, and in terms of manhwas, I haven't even found one I'd rate that highly (the fucking monarchism that runs rampant throughout...)