Nozomanu Fushi no Boukensha - Vol. 5 Ch. 21 - Tarasque
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This guy started fighting Ancient Dragon-class enemies pretty quickly.
him fighting that thing is stupid, even more that his rat can fight too.....i would accept a stealth/surveillance build form the rat not a freaking lighting bruiser build...for crying out loud it is a vampire rat from a zombie not from a ancient vampire duke
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Ugh.
Firstly, the tarasque is not "comparable to a dragon". Dragon's fucking WISH they were as tough as the tarasque. The tarasque is the motherfucking final "fuck it" button pressed when a world absolutely has to die.
Secondly, NOT a zombie. Lento is currently a ghoul, incorrectly being called a zombie. Lento was previously a zombie, incorrectly being called a ghoul. "Thrall" was acceptable. "Zombie" is not.
Thirdly, that rat should have died when it was first encountered. It destroys the tension in a most undesirable way.
Firstly, the tarasque is not "comparable to a dragon". Dragon's fucking WISH they were as tough as the tarasque. The tarasque is the motherfucking final "fuck it" button pressed when a world absolutely has to die.
Secondly, NOT a zombie. Lento is currently a ghoul, incorrectly being called a zombie. Lento was previously a zombie, incorrectly being called a ghoul. "Thrall" was acceptable. "Zombie" is not.
Thirdly, that rat should have died when it was first encountered. It destroys the tension in a most undesirable way.
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@The5thSeraph You keep shitposting on almost every chapter (if not on all of them) pretending to be so smart so let me show you that you're not as clever as you think.
If you google "Tarasque" you'll find wikipedia entry saying: "The Tarasque is a fearsome legendary dragon-like mythological hybrid" so the manga is not completely wrong.
Second of he is NOT a ghoul, those feed on flesh. He is a vampire thrall which is why his hunger is satiated the most with blood. Google "vampire thrall" and you'll get plenty of entries.
If you google "Tarasque" you'll find wikipedia entry saying: "The Tarasque is a fearsome legendary dragon-like mythological hybrid" so the manga is not completely wrong.
Second of he is NOT a ghoul, those feed on flesh. He is a vampire thrall which is why his hunger is satiated the most with blood. Google "vampire thrall" and you'll get plenty of entries.
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@MaxBedlam
When you say "shitposting", what EXACTLY are you suggesting by that?
I mean I'm posting comments, sure. I'm being earnest. Most of them are not image macros, but some are. I frequently adopt a light-hearted tone, but sometimes I just criticise straightforwardly.
Obviously you're entitled to regard it as "shit" if you want, but I suspect you mean something else. Something specific. Would you mind clarifying?
That said it has been months, so my memory is a little hazy now.
When you say "shitposting", what EXACTLY are you suggesting by that?
I mean I'm posting comments, sure. I'm being earnest. Most of them are not image macros, but some are. I frequently adopt a light-hearted tone, but sometimes I just criticise straightforwardly.
Obviously you're entitled to regard it as "shit" if you want, but I suspect you mean something else. Something specific. Would you mind clarifying?
I was speaking entirely in D&D terms. I'm aware that isn't the original source, but that also wasn't important for the narrative difference I was trying to present.
Last I checked, he DID do that. That being one of the primary reasons why I made that statement.
That said it has been months, so my memory is a little hazy now.
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You've been posting negative comments on almost every chapter since the start. Always complaining about something, often posting misinformation like claiming that he started as zombie then turned into a ghoul, while he actually started as a ghoul and turned into vampire thrall (to be fair translators did a pretty poor and inconsistent job so I won't blame you much here). Anyway it sure made me wonder why are you still reading this.
Well actually since Tarasque didn't originate in D&D worlds you should have mentioned that you're comparing it with one from there, because this way it sure looks like you're commenting on how Tarasque's are in the world of this manga. Anyway I'm not seeing why would that comparison even be relevant here, but you do you.
He bit into Lorraine's shoulder but didn't bite off flesh, and it was shown that he enjoyed the blood in that moment. Not long after that it was said that blood satiates his hunger the most. So it made it pretty clear what he is, even with the inconsistency and screw ups from the translators.
Anyway look, I don't want any hard feelings here. I'm just saying it's not fun seeing someone be constantly negative, chapter after chapter, not to mention you keep pushing misinformation.
You've been posting negative comments on almost every chapter since the start. Always complaining about something, often posting misinformation like claiming that he started as zombie then turned into a ghoul, while he actually started as a ghoul and turned into vampire thrall (to be fair translators did a pretty poor and inconsistent job so I won't blame you much here). Anyway it sure made me wonder why are you still reading this.
Well actually since Tarasque didn't originate in D&D worlds you should have mentioned that you're comparing it with one from there, because this way it sure looks like you're commenting on how Tarasque's are in the world of this manga. Anyway I'm not seeing why would that comparison even be relevant here, but you do you.
He bit into Lorraine's shoulder but didn't bite off flesh, and it was shown that he enjoyed the blood in that moment. Not long after that it was said that blood satiates his hunger the most. So it made it pretty clear what he is, even with the inconsistency and screw ups from the translators.
Anyway look, I don't want any hard feelings here. I'm just saying it's not fun seeing someone be constantly negative, chapter after chapter, not to mention you keep pushing misinformation.
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As I said "thrall" is an acceptable descriptor for that second form (technically the 3rd after the skeleton, if I remember rightly, but the 2nd of those being discussed), but "zombie" isn't. Neither was "ghoul" a valid descriptor of the first of those forms. Zombies are animated corpses subject to decay, while Ghouls are either living or unliving but physically complete beings that consume corpses (frequently rotten ones, including the recently buried).
The previous form was a half-rotten corpse itself and did not consume other corpses, thus it does not qualify as a ghoul. It did qualify as a zombie though, as it matched that description for the most part (albeit faster than one normally would be). The later form DID qualify as a ghoul, but not as a zombie.
Ergo my statement that it was a zombie that became a ghoul rather than the other way around is obviously a correction and NOT misinformation.
Essentially, the whole thing is a D&D meme.
If you don't play D&D much though, I guess you might not be aware.
And that Ghouls eat flesh while Vampires only drink blood is one of the primary distinctions between those two... though vampires have been changed so many times in so many cultures that it is frankly annoying how many liberties are taken with them. Still, classically speaking, vampires have a pale human appearance, only consume blood (to the point where solid matter is rejected by their bodies), can pass on vampirism via a bite, and turn to ash in direct sunlight (that being a factor Japan ignores more often than it adheres to it). Another point in favour of "Ghoul" as descriptor for the latter form is that there is strong precedent for Ghouls being lesser servants of Vampires (though those are typically different to the living, grave-plundering ghouls of the Cthulhu mythos).
Is that all you meant? I mean why would you even take issue with that? Better to be criticising than brown-nosing, obviously.
That wasn't misinformation. It was a correction. While I won't exactly claim that undead classifications are serious business, I still don't like when content creators get them mixed up (and adding shoddy translation on top of that just exacerbates the problem. Plus undead types are common + consistent enough to go beyond merely D&D standard.
As I said "thrall" is an acceptable descriptor for that second form (technically the 3rd after the skeleton, if I remember rightly, but the 2nd of those being discussed), but "zombie" isn't. Neither was "ghoul" a valid descriptor of the first of those forms. Zombies are animated corpses subject to decay, while Ghouls are either living or unliving but physically complete beings that consume corpses (frequently rotten ones, including the recently buried).
The previous form was a half-rotten corpse itself and did not consume other corpses, thus it does not qualify as a ghoul. It did qualify as a zombie though, as it matched that description for the most part (albeit faster than one normally would be). The later form DID qualify as a ghoul, but not as a zombie.
Ergo my statement that it was a zombie that became a ghoul rather than the other way around is obviously a correction and NOT misinformation.
The French folklore (I think it was) Tarasque isn't as well-known as the D&D one. Not even close to being so. The reason being is that the Tarasque occupies a very specific and very infamous (memetic-level) role within D&D as being THE creature that is made to be effectively unbeatable (though obviously some parties found ways to stop it, albeit temporarily). It is specifically THE top monster in D&D. Absolute apex nasty. i.e. There is no bigger fish, as this is the biggest fish, so to speak. The Chuck Norris of D&D.
Essentially, the whole thing is a D&D meme.
If you don't play D&D much though, I guess you might not be aware.
I got the impression he would have if he hadn't regained some measure of control of himself.
And that Ghouls eat flesh while Vampires only drink blood is one of the primary distinctions between those two... though vampires have been changed so many times in so many cultures that it is frankly annoying how many liberties are taken with them. Still, classically speaking, vampires have a pale human appearance, only consume blood (to the point where solid matter is rejected by their bodies), can pass on vampirism via a bite, and turn to ash in direct sunlight (that being a factor Japan ignores more often than it adheres to it). Another point in favour of "Ghoul" as descriptor for the latter form is that there is strong precedent for Ghouls being lesser servants of Vampires (though those are typically different to the living, grave-plundering ghouls of the Cthulhu mythos).
I don't like seeing people being constantly positive either. But I don't really have any say in that, and neither does anyone else have any say in my opting for criticism frequently (though not constantly, I might add). And again, I did not push misinformation. Claiming I pushed misinformation IS misinformation.
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The rat is quite an annoying character addition. Especially when the author feels the need to make it really important, even by making it directly attack a huge monster. It would have been somewhat okay if it was only used for scouting and such. Instead it almost seems like the rat is the boss and Lento is the servant.
To quote my exclamation out loud when the rat started attacking: "Oh come on"
It was bad enough that they escalated tension with some giant monster, only for its leg to be chopped off like it's nothing. Then they make the rat rob the MC of agency and beat what should have been something for the MC to possibly flee from.
I am only going to be giving this more chances because the preceding chapters were good. What a slap to the face of the reader. Here I was considering enjoying a duo interaction between a weak creature doing stealth and the MC.
Maybe enough people complained that that is the last time.
It was bad enough that they escalated tension with some giant monster, only for its leg to be chopped off like it's nothing. Then they make the rat rob the MC of agency and beat what should have been something for the MC to possibly flee from.
I am only going to be giving this more chances because the preceding chapters were good. What a slap to the face of the reader. Here I was considering enjoying a duo interaction between a weak creature doing stealth and the MC.
Maybe enough people complained that that is the last time.
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Fun fact, if you write a story and say that a "tarasque" is a "small and pathetic being, something that even a toddler could massacre", it will be a small and pathetic being, something that even a toddler could massacre. Should you do it? Probably not. Can you do it? Yes.
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Only the D&D Tarrasque is that tough. The original, mythological one St. Martha beat was just a tough dragon (which is biblespeak for pretty much anything evil, anyway, not really related to the western fantasy flying firebreathing lizard) .
Yeah, honestly. I wanted him to run away, to find someone stronger than himself and be forced to retreat and try again later.
