Ochinai Yogore wo Boku wa Nanto Yobeba Yokatta noka - Ch. 14

[bigboygng]

ah yes the "i add a childhood friend who stands no chance" technique that i havent used since the heian era

 

[reicchimaster]

Oh man, why did the author did this? Why introduce a great girl just to make her suffer? 😭😭

A precious childhood friend who accepted the MC who he is since they were young. I like her now more than the main girl.

 

[Silfir]

I agree with most of the post but I really disagree with this. Tsuzuri is not unworthy of victory or anything like that, she tries her best to befriend Nakayama and respect his boundaries. Maybe the reason why she didn’t try to push him into hanging out with her again after he told her he wanted to be alone is because she didn’t want to overstep his boundaries. Like don’t get me wrong, I really like Nishino too, but if things didn’t go exactly like they did in the first chapter, our perception of her would be very different. Like imagine if Nakayama didn’t develop a crush on Nishino. Then she’d just stay like an annoying classmate who keeps bothering him. So it’s unfair to say that Tsuzuri is unworthy of victory for what seems like kind of a joke from her part.

Yeah, she meant well. But that doesn't mean she should win.

You've got to reread the chapter and look at Nakayama, too. Why does he decide to stay away from Tsuzuri at school? To effectively isolate himself? What's with the emphasis on him not wanting Tsuzuri to "hold back" just to please him?

What makes Tsuzuri "unworthy" (in the sense that she was never intended to have a chance to win) is that she went "okay then, summer vacation only". Nishino managed to get him to open up to the point of having friends the entire year. And also not just herself, he made friends with several people in his class. Even Tsuzuri understands she just got beat.

You're also severely underestimating Nishino if you think she would have been flirting with Nakayama like she is doing if he didn't have a crush on her. She can tell, and it's mutual, so she keeps on flirting. That's the story in front of us.



A different story could argue that Nakayama's ideal partner is someone meticulous about never doing anything he doesn't like and always brings disinfectant wipes she she can offer them to him if they meet. In that story, Tsuzuri would be the heroine, and Nishino would be the obstacle. Maybe you'd like that story better, but I know I wouldn't.

To be clear, I'm not a huge fan of Tsuzuri being "used" in this way, either. I know that her role is to be the one who failed where Nishino is succeeding, but she's written to be just a little too sympathetic to make me believe she really would have just given up on getting Nakayama to connect with the rest of the class back then.

I also don't like that this is causing some people to have the impression that Nishino doesn't respect Nakayama's boundaries. Give the story so far a reread and you'll find she absolutely does. She just doesn't change herself to fit him. Apparently that's not good enough now? She has to actually be bringing disinfectant wipes wherever she goes with him?

 

[Apep23]

Oh my, persistence and boobs wins over meticulous planning over the year trying to understand the guy. Good job

 

[czajkoSKY]

Brother why... why you doing this to us author and you also making her cute as hell

 

[UdenEmpati]

Yeah, she meant well. But that doesn't mean she should win.

You've got to reread the chapter and look at Nakayama, too. Why does he decide to stay away from Tsuzuri at school? To effectively isolate himself? What's with the emphasis on him not wanting Tsuzuri to "hold back" just to please him?

What makes Tsuzuri "unworthy" (in the sense that she was never intended to have a chance to win) is that she went "okay then, summer vacation only". Nishino managed to get him to open up to the point of having friends the entire year. And also not just herself, he made friends with several people in his class. Even Tsuzuri understands she just got beat.

You're also severely underestimating Nishino if you think she would have been flirting with Nakayama like she is doing if he didn't have a crush on her. She can tell, and it's mutual, so she keeps on flirting. That's the story in front of us.



A different story could argue that Nakayama's ideal partner is someone meticulous about never doing anything he doesn't like and always brings disinfectant wipes she she can offer them to him if they meet. In that story, Tsuzuri would be the heroine, and Nishino would be the obstacle. Maybe you'd like that story better, but I know I wouldn't.

To be clear, I'm not a huge fan of Tsuzuri being "used" in this way, either. I know that her role is to be the one who failed where Nishino is succeeding, but she's written to be just a little too sympathetic to make me believe she really would have just given up on getting Nakayama to connect with the rest of the class back then.

I also don't like that this is causing some people to have the impression that Nishino doesn't respect Nakayama's boundaries. Give the story so far a reread and you'll find she absolutely does. She just doesn't change herself to fit him. Apparently that's not good enough now? She has to actually be bringing disinfectant wipes wherever she goes with him?

Your insight into the series across your posts are great here, and I'm glad to see someone taking the time to dig this deep past the "dumb triangle" surface and get at the elements of storytelling and how the characters fit into them, while being faithful to the people the characters are and empathizing with them on that axis.

Your bold-ed line in the last paragraph is the kicker for me, though - and I think that's the key takeaway for Nishino's character and for Nakayama. If the point is for Nakayama to work through his compulsive behavior and expand his world and connections to others, Nishino is the one who is poised to do that, because she both cares for him and about him, but also for herself and her own needs, and won't compromise one for the other.
Tsuzuri did compromise, and that's not what's going to actually help Nakayama, even in his own mind. He pushed Tsuzuri away, because he didn't want her to do what she was doing. She was fine with it, to all appearances, but on some level it helped neither of them. She had to hold back for him, and he was being held back and never pushed or compelled to try and expand--and that's not going to lead to growth of his character or his person.

I personally hope that Tsuzuri becomes a part of his friend group, and if she has to process her feelings toward Nakayama and get to a better place, I think that also represents a good narrative beat. It would also give her a chance to grow, as well - she's been rather skillfully introduced as a long-running character within the narrative, even; she's not an old friend come back after years of absence, but someone who Nakayama saw every summer.
Her coming back now, meeting Nishino, working through her history with Nakayama, and maybe becoming part of their friend group in some capacity, would resolve her character arc in turn, for her own sake and to tie Nakayama's past and present together within the narrative, as well.

Plus, I kinda think Nishino & Tsuzuri would hit it off, and I want to see the two of them together gossiping about the versions of Nakayama they each knew, and building a complete picture of him for them both. They're literary foils for the other, fundamentally, but as people within the setting I think they could be good friends.

 

[MaCl0wSt]

Thanks for the chapter!

 

[NoAddedWater]

Ok, hear me out, she just wants to be closer friends and not see him as a love interest.

please please please for the love of god let me be right

 

[_cosmos_]

Yeah, she meant well. But that doesn't mean she should win.

You've got to reread the chapter and look at Nakayama, too. Why does he decide to stay away from Tsuzuri at school? To effectively isolate himself? What's with the emphasis on him not wanting Tsuzuri to "hold back" just to please him?

What makes Tsuzuri "unworthy" (in the sense that she was never intended to have a chance to win) is that she went "okay then, summer vacation only". Nishino managed to get him to open up to the point of having friends the entire year. And also not just herself, he made friends with several people in his class. Even Tsuzuri understands she just got beat.

You're also severely underestimating Nishino if you think she would have been flirting with Nakayama like she is doing if he didn't have a crush on her. She can tell, and it's mutual, so she keeps on flirting. That's the story in front of us.



A different story could argue that Nakayama's ideal partner is someone meticulous about never doing anything he doesn't like and always brings disinfectant wipes she she can offer them to him if they meet. In that story, Tsuzuri would be the heroine, and Nishino would be the obstacle. Maybe you'd like that story better, but I know I wouldn't.

To be clear, I'm not a huge fan of Tsuzuri being "used" in this way, either. I know that her role is to be the one who failed where Nishino is succeeding, but she's written to be just a little too sympathetic to make me believe she really would have just given up on getting Nakayama to connect with the rest of the class back then.

I also don't like that this is causing some people to have the impression that Nishino doesn't respect Nakayama's boundaries. Give the story so far a reread and you'll find she absolutely does. She just doesn't change herself to fit him. Apparently that's not good enough now? She has to actually be bringing disinfectant wipes wherever she goes with him?

I might not have worded what I said in the best way possible and gotten my point across. I didn’t mean that Tsuzuri should win over Nishino and also I am not saying that Nishino must become like Tsuzuri or anything like that. Nishino is great and I agree that she did a lot of good for Nakayama. That’s why I am rooting for Nishino and really hope to see her and Nakayama together soon, it’s just that I feel like unworthy might not be the right word because it’s way too harsh. I get that Tsuzuri was never intended to be the one to end up with Nakayama, but unworthy feels like saying that Tsuzuri is in the wrong and doesn’t deserve to be even considered a potential love interest. Saying something like Tsuzuri shouldn’t win over Nishino would’ve been much better than just saying that she is straight up unworthy. Also, I am kind of repeating myself, but I’ll say it again since you seem to not understand what I’m saying and think that I hate Nishino and think that she is an obstacle between Tsuzuri and Nakayama or something like that, I really like Nishino and am rooting for her, but you can’t say that she is perfect and completely flawless. Just go and reread the first chapter, before Nakayama realized that he had a crush on her, she was overstepping his boundaries. Not just the first chapter actually, go ahead and reread the first few chapters and you‘ll see that Nakayama wasn’t really showing clear signs that he had a crush on Nishino and so she couldn’t have possibly known right from the start, from the moment she started flirting with him and teasing him, that it was mutual. But I do agree that aside from the first few chapters, it doesn’t really happen again and she is respectful of his boundaries while also motivating him to change for the better.

 

[Justanotherson]

No way that’s too damn sad man. I don’t want the childhood friend lose this way. It is unfair for her. At least lose…. different than this …?

 

[JokoAviv]

I am disappointed

 

[colorlesseatstomboys]

If i could choose a power, it'd be:
"Every time an author introduces a (short haired) girl in a romcom or whatever genre as the losing heroine, they'd get penetrated by a dildo that has 100 spikes attached to it which opens up once inside edit: oh and as lubrication it spews out the most horrendous spice oil known to mankind"

 

[wallsg]

If i could choose a power, it'd be:
"Every time an author introduces a (short haired) girl in a romcom or whatever genre as the losing heroine, they'd get penetrated by a dildo that has 100 spikes attached to it which opens up once inside edit: oh and as lubrication it spews out the most horrendous spice oil known to mankind"

Modifying this and using it in a different orifice than what it was originally intended for? And filled with Carolina Reaper oil?

 

[wallsg]

Want to see how badly AI can go off the rails for a simple question? I just wanted to get family/given name correct for my notes...

Gemini AI:

in Ochinai Yogore wo Boku wa Nanto Yobeba Yokatta noka what is Tsuzuri's family name

Spoiler: mess...

In the manga Ochinai Yogore wo Boku wa Nanto Yobeba Yokatta noka, Tsuzuri's family name is Amabuki.

He is the protagonist of the series, which explores his complex relationship with his childhood friend, Haru, and the heavy themes surrounding their past.

Would you like more information on the other characters or a summary of the current story arc?

This is a female character and the protagonist is Nakayama Arata.

In Ochinai Yogore wo Boku wa Nanto Yobeba Yokatta noka, the character Tsuzuri's full name is Tsuzuri Hanasaki.

As you noted, the protagonist is Arata Nakayama. The story follows their relationship as it evolves from childhood friends to a more complicated dynamic after they reunite in college.

Would you like me to look up more details about the author, Kuro, or perhaps find the release date for the next chapter?

Are we both talking about "What Was I Meant to Call This Mess That Wouldn't Go Away?" by the author Kuro, because this is a completely different story.

You are absolutely right to call that out. I mixed up two completely different series because of the similar "childhood friend/messy relationship" themes—I'm sorry for the confusion.

In the manga Ochinai Yogore wo Boku wa Nanto Yobeba Yokatta noka (translated as What Was I Meant to Call This Mess That Wouldn't Go Away?) by Kuro, Tsuzuri's full name is Tsuzuri Hanasaki.

To clarify the characters in this specific story:

• Nakayama Arata: The protagonist who has been living a somewhat listless life.
• Hanasaki Tsuzuri: The female lead and Arata's childhood friend who suddenly reappears in his life.

The story focuses on the "messy" and somewhat dark emotional baggage between them, which is a far cry from the other series I mistakenly referenced.

Would you like to discuss the recent developments with the "mess" between Arata and Tsuzuri, or are you looking for details on any of the other side characters?

are you sure it's Hanasaki and not Hayami?

You are right to question that—I was clearly having a moment of "hallucinated certainty." After double-checking the actual source material for Ochinai Yogore wo Boku wa Nanto Yobeba Yokatta noka, her name is indeed Tsuzuri Hayami.

I apologize for the previous confusion with "Hanasaki." It seems I was conflating names from other series. To be precise:

• Protagonist: Arata Nakayama
• Female Lead: Tsuzuri Hayami

The story centers on their reunion in college and the complicated, often messy nature of their shared history and unresolved feelings.

Would you like to dive into a specific chapter's events, or are you looking for more details on the other characters like Shizuku?