Ohayou Toka Oyasumi Toka - Vol. 1 Ch. 5 - Something Like Good Morning and Good Night
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I know it will be happen. Damn we need more chapter.
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As expected of trope-kun
This manga just gets on my nerves with how much of a dick the MC is. And don't get me wrong - I get that THAT is sort of the point. My point is that he's a dick for no real reason. As in the story requires for him to be a dick to a certain extent. Everything up until now could have been sorted out if he wasn't such a little bitch about things. So for starters we're expected to believe he hates the kids being in his 'castle' for no particular reason. It's pretty unreasonable to me that his complaint AGAINST the kids is just 'I want to be alone'. To me this is where the mangaka fucked up the entire premise. Because that point right there is the JUICIEST part of the entire fucking manga and it goes totally ignored. I can think of a million fucking reasons.
1 Waking up late
2 Coming/Going without worrying other people
3 Eating without regard for others
4 Buying for yourself/cheaper expenses
5 Hobbies
6 Sexytime/Dating
Any of these reasons would've satisfied me. But I'm expected to believe this guy just can't, he just fucking can't stand kids. Alright. Let's move on to more things. We know he's rich enough to support everyone without care for his financial status. Boom another interesting plotpoint shot down without the MC needing to sacrifice much (and oh yeah the parents also send him money so completely a non-issue still). Then he also plays the victim card against 3 kids who are completely getting fucked by the parents in every regard. I cannot understand this main character in any way. I can't sympathize with him. If he was a complete ass he would make more sense. But instead he's half an ass for no particular reason. If he had any portion of a brain - especially considering these kids behave like goddamn angels compared to irl kids (Like the older sister apologizing this entire time for essentially existing - and two seven year olds who are way to smart and the most annoying thing they do is cling to you), then he'd simply be like "fuck the parents you're my kids now" and take them in. But it's taken five fucking chapters for this peabrain to attempt to say that he would assist them????? And then he's too fucking late?????? Like holy shit dude. I'm fucking out. This had better turn into fluffy nonsense because this shit don't make no sense.
This manga just gets on my nerves with how much of a dick the MC is. And don't get me wrong - I get that THAT is sort of the point. My point is that he's a dick for no real reason. As in the story requires for him to be a dick to a certain extent. Everything up until now could have been sorted out if he wasn't such a little bitch about things. So for starters we're expected to believe he hates the kids being in his 'castle' for no particular reason. It's pretty unreasonable to me that his complaint AGAINST the kids is just 'I want to be alone'. To me this is where the mangaka fucked up the entire premise. Because that point right there is the JUICIEST part of the entire fucking manga and it goes totally ignored. I can think of a million fucking reasons.
1 Waking up late
2 Coming/Going without worrying other people
3 Eating without regard for others
4 Buying for yourself/cheaper expenses
5 Hobbies
6 Sexytime/Dating
Any of these reasons would've satisfied me. But I'm expected to believe this guy just can't, he just fucking can't stand kids. Alright. Let's move on to more things. We know he's rich enough to support everyone without care for his financial status. Boom another interesting plotpoint shot down without the MC needing to sacrifice much (and oh yeah the parents also send him money so completely a non-issue still). Then he also plays the victim card against 3 kids who are completely getting fucked by the parents in every regard. I cannot understand this main character in any way. I can't sympathize with him. If he was a complete ass he would make more sense. But instead he's half an ass for no particular reason. If he had any portion of a brain - especially considering these kids behave like goddamn angels compared to irl kids (Like the older sister apologizing this entire time for essentially existing - and two seven year olds who are way to smart and the most annoying thing they do is cling to you), then he'd simply be like "fuck the parents you're my kids now" and take them in. But it's taken five fucking chapters for this peabrain to attempt to say that he would assist them????? And then he's too fucking late?????? Like holy shit dude. I'm fucking out. This had better turn into fluffy nonsense because this shit don't make no sense.
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Idk, I think you're not considering differing perspectives enough. Raising kids isn't just about the financial burden, which is kinda why you'd look down on a parent who just pays child support and has nothing more to do with the kids. There's a LOT that goes into parenting and it certainly is not for everyone. MC is not responsible for every parent who chose to create children and then couldn't handle that burden. They may be relatives, but they are not his children and he is not obligated to take on the incredibly large task of raising 3 kids suddenly. I can totally appreciate it is not a decision he can just make instantaneously and that's for the benefit of the KIDS as much as it is for himself, which is kinda why I disagrees with the translators end card. I think MC did the right thing by taking time to carefully consider the ramifications of being these kids full time guardian, rather I think it was kinda rude on the older sister's part to just bail when she KNEW he wanted to talk to her about it all after he thought hard about it.
As for "I'm just expected to believe he hates kids, period", yeah. People like that actually do exist. Hell, my sister is borderline afraid of kids lol. For no real reason other than she doesn't understand kid's actions/psychology (whereas I have taken many courses on child dev and psychology, so I just kinda chuckle at her when she's like "Why do kids scream all the time. Like they're playing basket ball why do they have to scream they're having fun not being murdered"). And even though I like kids, I would NEVER take on the role of a parent. Even in Wahei's situation, where I was clearly well off, because I do not have that emotional/psychological nurturing in me. If it were me, I'd work with the kids and social services, give them financial support if they needed it and I could spare it, but I could not ever be anyone's mom or mom figure. It's just way more work and takes way more out of you psychologically and emotionally than I feel I could handle or even be willing to try and handle. Call me selfish, but I gotta look out for my own well-being first before considering taking on someone else's, let alone 3 someone else's.
Now the difference between me and Wahei is that I've actually thought about and considered this position hypothetically. Perhaps its because I'm a woman, and therefore it's socially expected of me that I would want to be a mommy one day and it's still considered weird if you don't, and that societal expectation isn't as heavy on males. I think Wahei had just never really considered in his life what he would be like, and how he would feel, if he were in the position of "father-figure" until it happened to him. Which makes his hesitation and confusion more realistic to me. It took him time to realize "you know what, yeah. I think I can handle that role and am financially, physically, AND emotionally willing to take on the responsibilities."
Idk, I think you're not considering differing perspectives enough. Raising kids isn't just about the financial burden, which is kinda why you'd look down on a parent who just pays child support and has nothing more to do with the kids. There's a LOT that goes into parenting and it certainly is not for everyone. MC is not responsible for every parent who chose to create children and then couldn't handle that burden. They may be relatives, but they are not his children and he is not obligated to take on the incredibly large task of raising 3 kids suddenly. I can totally appreciate it is not a decision he can just make instantaneously and that's for the benefit of the KIDS as much as it is for himself, which is kinda why I disagrees with the translators end card. I think MC did the right thing by taking time to carefully consider the ramifications of being these kids full time guardian, rather I think it was kinda rude on the older sister's part to just bail when she KNEW he wanted to talk to her about it all after he thought hard about it.
As for "I'm just expected to believe he hates kids, period", yeah. People like that actually do exist. Hell, my sister is borderline afraid of kids lol. For no real reason other than she doesn't understand kid's actions/psychology (whereas I have taken many courses on child dev and psychology, so I just kinda chuckle at her when she's like "Why do kids scream all the time. Like they're playing basket ball why do they have to scream they're having fun not being murdered"). And even though I like kids, I would NEVER take on the role of a parent. Even in Wahei's situation, where I was clearly well off, because I do not have that emotional/psychological nurturing in me. If it were me, I'd work with the kids and social services, give them financial support if they needed it and I could spare it, but I could not ever be anyone's mom or mom figure. It's just way more work and takes way more out of you psychologically and emotionally than I feel I could handle or even be willing to try and handle. Call me selfish, but I gotta look out for my own well-being first before considering taking on someone else's, let alone 3 someone else's.
Now the difference between me and Wahei is that I've actually thought about and considered this position hypothetically. Perhaps its because I'm a woman, and therefore it's socially expected of me that I would want to be a mommy one day and it's still considered weird if you don't, and that societal expectation isn't as heavy on males. I think Wahei had just never really considered in his life what he would be like, and how he would feel, if he were in the position of "father-figure" until it happened to him. Which makes his hesitation and confusion more realistic to me. It took him time to realize "you know what, yeah. I think I can handle that role and am financially, physically, AND emotionally willing to take on the responsibilities."
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It's not that I'm not considering the perspectives it's more of an issue of the author not presenting these ideas properly. Wahei hasn't been presented with a situation where he actually needs to teach/raise these kids, he's not being presented with a situation where he feels like he needs to become a guardian or a father figure. Which is something I'd really like the mangaka to do. I mean it's like I've said, there are all these super interesting topics that you can do for this unique situation, but the author fails to see any of these moments and ignores everything. The only way this could become interesting is if they actually got a permanent residence and he continued to see them regardless of them having moved out - because he wants to be family. But let's be serious. They're going to be back in the next chapter. Now moving on to other topics...
What other 'burdens' is Wahei taking on (emotional or physical) if we haven't seen him needing to be a father figure? He's certainly not washing their clothes, helping them bathe, or even cook. All of that is being taken care of by the people he's 'taken in'. As for emotional burdens the only issue was worrying where the sister went, which was probably looking for a new home. And this is the crux of the matter. Wahei isn't sacrificing anything but his space. Which okay - you can logic out that Wahei never considered how his life would change by accepting the kids into his house. But what doesn't make sense is that Wahei doesn't feel strongly about it at all. Because even like you had brought up, there are options to dealing with this:
A) Police/CPS involvement with Parents abandoning their children
B) Use the supposedly ludicrous amount of money they're sending him to let them stay at a different apartment close-by (according to my JP tropes anyone can get an apartment that easy)
As for the older sister having run away, think about every situation that these characters have been in up until now. Why do these kids even LIKE Wahei. There's absolutely no reason. Wahei attempted rejecting them/throwing them out initially, then he shouted at them for not leaving him alone, and then shouted at them again for leaving things all over the place. And then the kids claim they 'like' him???? I'm pretty sure he just shouted at you in every panel this entire chapter and nothing else. What kinda stockholm syndrome manga is this? It makes 100% sense for the older sister to be thinking "he's finally going to kick us out". You can argue that she should've at least waited to hear him out, but she's also like what... Middle school age (12-14)? I think most kids would bolt in that situation.
So yeah. I just don't like the pacing here. If it was slowed down and gave us more time to flesh these characters out, it could work well. It's just trying to move too fast and for no real good reason either.
It's not that I'm not considering the perspectives it's more of an issue of the author not presenting these ideas properly. Wahei hasn't been presented with a situation where he actually needs to teach/raise these kids, he's not being presented with a situation where he feels like he needs to become a guardian or a father figure. Which is something I'd really like the mangaka to do. I mean it's like I've said, there are all these super interesting topics that you can do for this unique situation, but the author fails to see any of these moments and ignores everything. The only way this could become interesting is if they actually got a permanent residence and he continued to see them regardless of them having moved out - because he wants to be family. But let's be serious. They're going to be back in the next chapter. Now moving on to other topics...
What other 'burdens' is Wahei taking on (emotional or physical) if we haven't seen him needing to be a father figure? He's certainly not washing their clothes, helping them bathe, or even cook. All of that is being taken care of by the people he's 'taken in'. As for emotional burdens the only issue was worrying where the sister went, which was probably looking for a new home. And this is the crux of the matter. Wahei isn't sacrificing anything but his space. Which okay - you can logic out that Wahei never considered how his life would change by accepting the kids into his house. But what doesn't make sense is that Wahei doesn't feel strongly about it at all. Because even like you had brought up, there are options to dealing with this:
A) Police/CPS involvement with Parents abandoning their children
B) Use the supposedly ludicrous amount of money they're sending him to let them stay at a different apartment close-by (according to my JP tropes anyone can get an apartment that easy)
As for the older sister having run away, think about every situation that these characters have been in up until now. Why do these kids even LIKE Wahei. There's absolutely no reason. Wahei attempted rejecting them/throwing them out initially, then he shouted at them for not leaving him alone, and then shouted at them again for leaving things all over the place. And then the kids claim they 'like' him???? I'm pretty sure he just shouted at you in every panel this entire chapter and nothing else. What kinda stockholm syndrome manga is this? It makes 100% sense for the older sister to be thinking "he's finally going to kick us out". You can argue that she should've at least waited to hear him out, but she's also like what... Middle school age (12-14)? I think most kids would bolt in that situation.
So yeah. I just don't like the pacing here. If it was slowed down and gave us more time to flesh these characters out, it could work well. It's just trying to move too fast and for no real good reason either.
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I think the reason he lets the oldest do all those things is exactly because he's distanced himself from that father figure position. Should he take that on, that would be him accepting to take on those roles and responsibilities. He'll likely pick up more of the house work, he'll be the one schools and teachers report to when it comes to educational issues or behavioral problems (the twins are cute and all, but I could easily see them being mischievous in school which could warrant some calls home). He will be responsible for their health care, and not just financially but emotionally. He's gonna carry the guilt when they get sick like parents do. Idk why you feel he hasn't been presented with the role of father figure, he knows fully well what it means to allow these kids to live with him permanently. It means taking on the responsibility of 3 children, not 3 roommates.
As for the apartment thing, last I researched yes it is true that teenagers occasionally live alone for commutes to school, but parents/legal guardians have to sign the lease and I don't think the younger ones would be allowed in with them. But, this is a manga so real world rules don't have to apply in that regard.
But to each their own, you said yourself you have a hard time relating to him, whereas I can relate to Wahei quite a bit. Different folks different strokes I suppose, I was mostly replying just to remind you there's a lot more that goes into taking responsibility for 3 young kids than just throwing money at them and thats a big responsibility to just take on without thinking it through.
I think the reason he lets the oldest do all those things is exactly because he's distanced himself from that father figure position. Should he take that on, that would be him accepting to take on those roles and responsibilities. He'll likely pick up more of the house work, he'll be the one schools and teachers report to when it comes to educational issues or behavioral problems (the twins are cute and all, but I could easily see them being mischievous in school which could warrant some calls home). He will be responsible for their health care, and not just financially but emotionally. He's gonna carry the guilt when they get sick like parents do. Idk why you feel he hasn't been presented with the role of father figure, he knows fully well what it means to allow these kids to live with him permanently. It means taking on the responsibility of 3 children, not 3 roommates.
As for the apartment thing, last I researched yes it is true that teenagers occasionally live alone for commutes to school, but parents/legal guardians have to sign the lease and I don't think the younger ones would be allowed in with them. But, this is a manga so real world rules don't have to apply in that regard.
But to each their own, you said yourself you have a hard time relating to him, whereas I can relate to Wahei quite a bit. Different folks different strokes I suppose, I was mostly replying just to remind you there's a lot more that goes into taking responsibility for 3 young kids than just throwing money at them and thats a big responsibility to just take on without thinking it through.
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lmao at how people hate the mc because he likes to be alone and doesn't really want the responsibility/company of 3 practically strangers into his life. BRUH have you been around kids that aren't in fluffy manga form or lived by yourself where you've established a lifestyle. Yeah Wahei is particularly not a friendly or openly empathetic guy, he's quite stubborn, cold and entitled. That literally explains the personality trope with its own definition, he's stubborn because he's stubborn and he's only cares about number one, being himself. The fact that he was considering keeping them and not abandoning them immediately is already character development, it might not seem much but it is to him and obviously the story couldn't continue if he didn't. I'm sure you people pray that you see an abandoned cat in cardboard box in an alley so you can immediately take it in and nurse it, and feel good about yourself 😫
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why the hell she run NOW, AFTER wahei already accepted them ( he said wont abandon them ) somewhat instead of first week or even first day when wahei havent accepted them? ( he still a bit irritated,even yell at them for not being tidy )
