Onna Chara de Isekai Teni shite Cheatppoi kedo Zako Chara na no de Medatazu Heiwa na Shomin wo Mezashimasu! - Ch. 4.1 - Susie returns home

[gr2222]

Sure there is, it's call a self-insertion fantasy, which is 99.99% of what isekais are. There's plenty of beta virgin MCs (ok there's an overwhelming surplus of beta virgin MCs), alpha MCs, evil revenge MCs, NTR MCs, etc... so of course there's the I'm-a-little-girl-now MCs.

a lot of them, but not that many. you say 99.99% but it's more like 30% (of the manga, not WN or LN), and that is not of all the existing ones, but only the ones that are translated. if you don't believe me just search with the isekai tag (with my settings 100 pages) while excluding the harem tag (tat gets rid of 15 pages, so 15% and excluding erotica and suggestive, by selecting 'safe' (brings it down by another 15 pages) and all that without the pornographic (hentai) tag btw.

(btw the 30% i wrote, at first was by randomly guessing because i didn't remember the exactly, but i actually got it exactly right)
also, i have to mention that i have 626 manga in my reading list (most of them caught up), and 68 in my completed list. out of all of them only 32 are not isekai. so no, clearly don't know what i am talking about.

 

[branx9]

I was going for tongue-in-cheek exaggeration, and I get and agree with your main point which is that we shouldn’t over-label things as self-insertion. Your example is off by a long ways, though. There is zero requirement for there to be a sexual component.

Power fantasies are another major trope and lots of shounen power fantasies are non-sexual. The majority of isekais that start with a loser getting the truck-kun treatment and a goddess giving him/her a second chance are self-insertion fantasies, whether or not they have a sexual fantasy component.

 

[Jackist]

correction. YOU THINK there is no reason for it, we are just 4 chapters into the manga, it's hard to understand if there is a reason for it so early, and even if there isn't one, why do you think its nonsense? why do you think it would have been better if the mc was a woman in his previews life?

i mean, i am interested in what you have to say.

also, if you hate having a gender swap in a series so much, then why don't you exclude it from your searches?

one important think to mention, is that if the genderswap was mentioned all the time then it would have made the story slow, and it would have annoyed the readers. because there is a genderswap does not mean that it is always the primary focus of the story.

Because, now bear with me, if it was a woman from the start nothing would change.
Now I already know your response is "But she's always been a woman" and let me stop you. As the MC didn't choose to transition, and the character they become after this forced gender swap acts person with a different personality which makes the whole Gender Swap redundant in the first place. Do you understand what I mean?

 

[gr2222]

Because, now bear with me, if it was a woman from the start nothing would change.
Now I already know your response is "But she's always been a woman" and let me stop you. As the MC didn't choose to transition, and the character they become after this forced gender swap acts person with a different personality which makes the whole Gender Swap redundant in the first place. Do you understand what I mean?

no, i wouldn't have said that. and no a lot of things would be deferent if the mc was a woman before getting isekaied. even in the novel there is not that much from the mc's previews life. but even so the mc's personality is impacted by his previews life, because you think it doesn't matter, doesn't meant it really doesn't.

you said nothing wouldn't have changed but you still didn't answer why you think it would have been better if the mc was a woman in his previews life.

 

[gr2222]

I was going for tongue-in-cheek exaggeration, and I get and agree with your main point which is that we shouldn’t over-label things as self-insertion. Your example is off by a long ways, though. There is zero requirement for there to be a sexual component.

Power fantasies are another major trope and lots of shounen power fantasies are non-sexual. The majority of isekais that start with a loser getting the truck-kun treatment and a goddess giving him/her a second chance are self-insertion fantasies, whether or not they have a sexual fantasy component.

there is no overpowered mc tag (sadly) but as i said i have read enough isekai to know that most of them are not with an op mc, and most of them that are, have those tags, yes there are some without those tags, but there are too few compered to the ones that don't, besides half isekai are comedy with and most of those are with the mc being dumb or being made the joke. (thanks to the popularity of some isekai)

but i do agree that that most of the ones that start with a god giving power to the mc are mostly self-insertion, with very few eceptions.

edit: by the way only 3% of isekai are psychological, only 4% have the tragedy tag, and 32% of them have the drama tag.

also 16% of them are slice of life, and from experience i know that at least half of them are self-inserting.

also i should mention that not all isekai with op protagonists are self-insertion. one good example is eminence in shadow. no one wants to be the mc, and definitely not the author (i mean the author definitely doesn't want to be the mc, not most people don't want to be the author xd).

 

[Jackist]

no, i wouldn't have said that. and no a lot of things would be deferent if the mc was a woman before getting isekaied. even in the novel there is not that much from the mc's previews life. but even so the mc's personality is impacted by his previews life, because you think it doesn't matter, doesn't meant it really doesn't.

you said nothing wouldn't have changed but you still didn't answer why you think it would have been better if the mc was a woman in his previews life.

Because if they were a woman, then they could act like they did in their previous life when isekai'd. When they gender swap, they act nothing like their previous personality. So that is a issue, right?

 

[gr2222]

Because if they were a woman, then they could act like they did in their previous life when isekai'd. When they gender swap, they act nothing like their previous personality. So that is a issue, right?

not necessarily, it depends on what is the focus on the story. besides in the case of this manga/novel there are reasons why the changes happen, even if the mc doesn't really think about it as much, the mc's actions change because the age and gender being changed, but that only happens after the mc meets the old guy and his family (that's an important detail to understand why the mc started to change to be closer to the body's physical age), but the mc still remains effected by the previews life in many ways. besides we don't know that much about the mc's previews life as much but we can tell for example, that the reason the mc cried when seeing the field with the sunset was because the mc felt relief and couldn't hold of the emotions, this would have happened even if the mc would have been the same gender as before.

besides as far as i can tell the mc's thought prosses hasn't changed after getting isekaied, and some changes that do happen to the mc's personality are not because of the gender swap but mostly do to the age change, even if the mc was a woman in the previews life, those changes would happen the same.

the biggest problem why a lot of thinks are not made clear, is because the mc doesn't completely understand his own emotions, but it is shown in other ways to the reader.

sure the story could have been as you say with the same gender in the previews life, and not much would have changed, but that could be said with almost every story, if one thing was changed it could be better (at least some readers think like that), but here is the think, when it comes to good writing the authors creative decisions are what matter most in order for the story to be genuine. if you take away these decisions then you would end up with something boring that basically already exist but slightly deferent.

for me the most important part is for the author to have the creative decision, even if i don't like a choice they made. if the author made changes because others think it was a bad choice, then it would lead to something boring or something that just feels out of place, or just ingenuine. there are plenty of examples of what i am saying out there, besides most good or popular books/games/shows/anime/manga or whatever, always have something i don't like, but i still love them for what they are. that is true for all forms of art, they are good as long as they are made by an artist that remain genuine.

there are plenty of examples that i can give, but even if you yourself think about a story that you love you will always find things in them that you hate or don't like.

 

[Jackist]

not necessarily, it depends on what is the focus on the story. besides in the case of this manga/novel there are reasons why the changes happen, even if the mc doesn't really think about it as much, the mc's actions change because the age and gender being changed, but that only happens after the mc meets the old guy and his family (that's an important detail to understand why the mc started to change to be closer to the body's physical age), but the mc still remains effected by the previews life in many ways. besides we don't know that much about the mc's previews life as much but we can tell for example, that the reason the mc cried when seeing the field with the sunset was because the mc felt relief and couldn't hold of the emotions, this would have happened even if the mc would have been the same gender as before.

besides as far as i can tell the mc's thought prosses hasn't changed after getting isekaied, and some changes that do happen to the mc's personality are not because of the gender swap but mostly do to the age change, even if the mc was a woman in the previews life, those changes would happen the same.

the biggest problem why a lot of thinks are not made clear, is because the mc doesn't completely understand his own emotions, but it is shown in other ways to the reader.

sure the story could have been as you say with the same gender in the previews life, and not much would have changed, but that could be said with almost every story, if one thing was changed it could be better (at least some readers think like that), but here is the think, when it comes to good writing the authors creative decisions are what matter most in order for the story to be genuine. if you take away these decisions then you would end up with something boring that basically already exist but slightly deferent.

for me the most important part is for the author to have the creative decision, even if i don't like a choice they made. if the author made changes because others think it was a bad choice, then it would lead to something boring or something that just feels out of place, or just ingenuine. there are plenty of examples of what i am saying out there, besides most good or popular books/games/shows/anime/manga or whatever, always have something i don't like, but i still love them for what they are. that is true for all forms of art, they are good as long as they are made by an artist that remain genuine.

there are plenty of examples that i can give, but even if you yourself think about a story that you love you will always find things in them that you hate or don't like.

Maybe take a little less Adderall dude lol

 

[gr2222]

Maybe take a little less Adderall dude lol

??? i don't get what you mean by that, i had to google what that was but i still don't have a clue what you are implying, is it your first time having a conversation on the internet that is more then a few lines of text? at what world is this considered as having ADHD? or could it be that it's because my comment was incomprehensible? english is not my first language but greek is, and i learned english mostly from the internet so, sorry for not being that good at english

 

[sailorarashi]

i mean releasing translations to patreons early is fine by me

That's what's actually happening. The TL is wrong about it being behind a paywall. You can read the chapters early on Patreon, but they are released for free here: https://re-library.com/translations/my-sort-of-cheat-but-small-fry-female-character/

 

[gr2222]

That's what's actually happening. The TL is wrong about it being behind a paywall. You can read the chapters early on Patreon, but they are released for free here: https://re-library.com/translations/my-sort-of-cheat-but-small-fry-female-character/

i was right, it's them, they are one of the worst translation groups, well they had only one free chapter for about 2 months until a few days ego, basically most translated chapters where (and still are) payed, and have you seen their prices? on top of that they lie a lot, they always destroy the novels they translate, and worst of all, they make way too many translations.

i don't support any translation group that doesn't respect the authors, and the japanese culture (or whatever country the original is from).

 

[sailorarashi]

i was right, it's them, they are one of the worst translation groups, well they had only one free chapter for about 2 months until a few days ego,

Because it was a preview chapter until the actual releases started this month, which was stated right on the page. They don't do paid vs free chapters, they just do free releases. You can pay to have access to the release queue to read them ahead of time, but they still release for free.on schedule.

 

[flannan]

there is no overpowered mc tag (sadly)

It is, unfortunately, too subjective to be placed without a lot of people complaining.
To some people, anybody stronger than Naruto is overpowered.
To me, what matters is the differential in power between MC and his main opposition. So a single manga could go from "overpowered MC" to "MC with just the right amount of power" as MC rises through the ranks and gets the attention of opponents of his power level.
And some people use the word for any MC who isn't a total loser.

Because if they were a woman, then they could act like they did in their previous life when isekai'd. When they gender swap, they act nothing like their previous personality. So that is a issue, right?

Since the main character's previous personality is not established, we do not know if they are acting like their previous personality. The only thing we know, is that he was the kind of male gamer who would play a female character. And that he was a working adult.
You don't think all women have just one personality, and all the men another one, right? These constraints actually leave a lot of room for different personalities.

But if you take a step back from the argument and look at things from a meta perspective, you'll notice - the real reason why it's a male character in a female body, is to make the story for male audience.

P.S. I re-read the manga, and I don't see MC acting particularly feminine. They are less stoic than and adult male should be, but that's it.

 

[gr2222]

Because it was a preview chapter until the actual releases started this month, which was stated right on the page. They don't do paid vs free chapters, they just do free releases. You can pay to have access to the release queue to read them ahead of time, but they still release for free.on schedule.

right i checked and sure i was wrong (they have changed a bit), but it's just that the problems still stand, is that all you got from my comment?

first go re read my comment, then read the rest of this one.

they basically say: you can read early all our gender bender translations with only 100 euros a month... why tf is it only the gender bender ones? why do you get nothing from the general use patreon when it has the same prices?

why are the translations so much slower then the original releases when they get so much money from their patreon?

do you want me to tell you more problems with them? why do they tag the novels with the wrong tags on novelupdates? why do they forget to tag important tags like (mature, sexual abuse, rape, R-15, yuri, yaoi, gl, bl etc.) (btw they do that on their site too)

do you want more problems with them? then why did i get banned from their discord when i asked why they don't tag them correctly?

there are a lot more problems but those are the most important ones. (including what i mention in my other comments)

edit: the prices used to be higher too if i am not mistaken

 

[Jackist]

It is, unfortunately, too subjective to be placed without a lot of people complaining.
To some people, anybody stronger than Naruto is overpowered.
To me, what matters is the differential in power between MC and his main opposition. So a single manga could go from "overpowered MC" to "MC with just the right amount of power" as MC rises through the ranks and gets the attention of opponents of his power level.
And some people use the word for any MC who isn't a total loser.


Since the main character's previous personality is not established, we do not know if they are acting like their previous personality. The only thing we know, is that he was the kind of male gamer who would play a female character. And that he was a working adult.
You don't think all women have just one personality, and all the men another one, right? These constraints actually leave a lot of room for different personalities.

But if you take a step back from the argument and look at things from a meta perspective, you'll notice - the real reason why it's a male character in a female body, is to make the story for male audience.

P.S. I re-read the manga, and I don't see MC acting particularly feminine. They are less stoic than and adult male should be, but that's it.

oh since they didn't have a personality established, we assume they acted... like a woman?... when a man? Look we are never going to agree obviously

 

[flannan]

oh since they didn't have a personality established, we assume they acted... like a woman?... when a man? Look we are never going to agree obviously

There you go, assuming all women have the same personality. Yes, we are clearly never going to agree.
In the first place, re-read the chapters, and you'll see MC is as un-feminine as possible. Especially when eating - MC eats like a shounen protagonist.

 

[gr2222]

There you go, assuming all women have the same personality. Yes, we are clearly never going to agree.
In the first place, re-read the chapters, and you'll see MC is as un-feminine as possible. Especially when eating - MC eats like a shounen protagonist.

I just looked into the postings this person has made, and i can tell all the following from just one:
probably male.
probably listens to people like andrew tate.
thinks that people normally date 12 people at the same time (there is a chance that he had a bad experience before from a dating app, and now thinks that all woman are the same).
thinks that people become dumb because of social media, while probably being the one that is actually manipulated by influencers on social media.
says that other people are lacking critical thinking (how ironic).


here is the posting:
https://forums.mangadex.org/threads...-then-there-were-eleven.1934184/post-23273163

 

[Jackist]

There you go, assuming all women have the same personality. Yes, we are clearly never going to agree.
In the first place, re-read the chapters, and you'll see MC is as un-feminine as possible. Especially when eating - MC eats like a shounen protagonist.

This may shock you, but I don't assume everyone acts the same. I know Tik Tok has made your brain unable to distinguish people as people, but for 10000's of years we have associated feminine and masculine traits to certain ways people act. Whole languages are based around this concept, certain things are masculine and certain things are feminine, it's not sexist, it's called speaking French or German...

I'm not going to let you try and pretend that the majority of the world understand this.

 

[GottagofastSonic]

you say someone is translating the web novel but putting it behind a pay wall? i mean releasing translations to patreons early is fine by me (i have supported a few in the past) but putting the translation behind a paywall? no thanks, i MTLed the webnovel when randomly finding it on syosetu, and i am going to say this, if you know how to use the deepl extension effectively, then just do that, if the translators are who i think they are, then it will be a thousand times better, since if they are who i think they are, i know that they destroy the japanese feel to them (you need to read good translations or mtl japanese novels, to know what i mean by that).

by the way i think that the novel (or at least as far as i have read) is a 7/10

Who exactly do you think they are? I'm curious why you have such a grudge against them...

Edit: Nevermind, you answered it in a separate post, didn't read that far. Still, I think it's disingenuous to characterize an entire group of translator's tl quality based on experiences you've had with them in the past. It's important to separate a creator and their work, no matter how hard it may be.

 

[gr2222]

Who exactly do you think they are? I'm curious why you have such a grudge against them...

Edit: Nevermind, you answered it in a separate post, didn't read that far. Still, I think it's disingenuous to characterize an entire group of translator's tl quality based on experiences you've had with them in the past. It's important to separate a creator and their work, no matter how hard it may be.

i have checked many of their translations and they almost never use the (-chan -kun -san etc.) that is one of the main problems with that group, of course it's not the only problem with the translations but it destroys the authors work, in japanese it's very important as i already said, and removing them makes the story hard to understand, or simply butchers the culture. for example (as i have already said) it can explain what a person thinks of the other person, or explain things like what gender they probably are.

on top of that there is (watashi, ore, boku, etc.) which means (I, me etc.) and it's used by deferent genders usually, and that is also important to understand a lot of things. of course i am not saying it should be placed in the translation but that's why notes exist. and they almost never say what they use. most of the translations from that group (or maybe the leader idk) have no respect for the work, and the culture.

my point is that is what most of their translations are like, (also i might be misremembering but, a lot of translators that did respect those things where fired at some point.)